Jafo232
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1 edit | Sure
I would be interested to see the bill on this one. I mean, with no real regulation on it, the ISP could say, sure, 5 million a year and we will monitor what you want. Sounds like a new revenue stream. :P |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ | Losing small ISPs may not matter ....
.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA
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Re: Sure
As well it should. Good for the ISPs! |
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hopeflicker
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Long Beach, CA
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Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter ....
said by TKJunkMail  :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. ohh, that would just elate you, would it?
But u know it will never happen. |
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DVOOR8
join:2001-12-24
USA | RIAA will buy a law.
The RIAA will buy a few politicians through lobbyists and get laws passed that make it the ISP's problem. The ISP's will pass the cost on to us. I bet this is exactly what is going to happen. |
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Shamayim
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join:2002-09-23 |  Right on the money
ISPs should all hold up the RIAA. That's language they understand. |
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braynes
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Re: Sure
So If the isps get a check from the from the "AAs" what bullshit will they be able to use to raise the bill?
Sorry I forgot they do not need a reason so is this going to be double dipping with us paying the tab twice once to buy music and dvds, and then to the isp to police the fact we buy them and just do not have any big compulsion to steal there crap? |
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fcisler
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| Sounds fair
Is this akin to the software that would check for "illegal files" on your computer and offer to delete them? The software that did a blanket search for .mp3, .avi, etc etc and blanket flagged them as "illegal"?
I just can't understand this. I want to actually SEE software/hardware which ISP's can implement which has a X% of accuracy and Y% of false positives.
Oh wait...that doesn't exist? Well hell, someone tell RIAA and MPAA.
Once the software/hardware is available, independently tested, X is >= 80% and Y <= 10% then I could see asking/forcing an ISP to utilize the technology. Until then, I haven't seen any technology that is that "advanced". |
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33591094
join:2002-11-19
Canada
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Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter ....
And then folks will migrate to the 15% of intelligent ISP's that remained independent.
And the bought off scum will perish.... 
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cybercrimes
join:2003-12-24
Phoenixville, PA
1 edit | they will never learn
when napster first came out riaa sales were up till they start complaning about the downloading |
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maartena
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Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter ....
said by hopeflicker :said by TKJunkMail :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. ohh, that would just elate you, would it? But u know it will never happen. I know TWC users have already begun receiving notices from Time Warner. (See RoadRunner topic, someone that got caught opened a topic).
What makes you think that Comcast, AT&T and Verizon won't do the same? |
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Corydon
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said by TKJunkMail :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. Hmm...then what happens next? People who download a lot of movies and music figure out which ISPs are participating and which aren't (the Internet is a wonderful thing). Those smaller ISPs get a bump from those people, and the problem is still there for the **AAs while the rest of us either lose access to the legit functions of P2P (doubtful given the new administration) or the **AAs still have a problem as more torrents move to being encrypted.
Could this be a headache for smaller ISPs too? If they get a lot of people flooding in who use a lot of bandwidth, they'll need bigger pipes to keep everyone happy (or some kind of metering arrangement).
Long story short, the **AAs are still fighting a losing battle.
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cybercrimes
join:2003-12-24
Phoenixville, PA
1 edit | just dont buy cd
if the isp play cops just dont buy cd anymore |
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Underplay
join:2003-10-19
Tacoma, WA | Lets take our privacy back with encryption
Alright it seems like these guys wont leave our personal rights alone, this is the invasion of privacy and we need to start developing more encrypted protocols to keep these nosy people out of our business. Start encrypting EVERY BIT. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter ....
said by TKJunkMail :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. can the RIAA afford it? The impression I get is that the only reason they have pursued this to the extent they have is they have been able to shift costs to the ISPs.
reports are starting to appear that the costs of their lawsuits are starting to be a burden, with member companies reducing their payments to the RIAA.
I'm guessing when the RIAA sees the bill from one of these major ISPs, they may think twice about paying it. |
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treetop1000
join:2003-11-07
Lexington, KY
| finally!
Hooray! Someone finally "gets" it.
I can't believe the balls these lawyers have.
They'll charge for time and services, but think that they have the rights to that info (about the crime) even though a third party must use their own resources (time and money) to supply it.
Charge them say $10K/per hour, and document everything.
Say what, Mr RIAA/MPAA lawyer?
You feel that this is an unjustly large fee for this service?
I'm so sorry, please feel free to take it up with our customer complaint department in Mumbai.
Ask for Elvis, he will be most helpful to you in providing this info, once we have obtained the signed contract negotiating the services that you wish us to perform for you.
In other words, people in Hell want ice water.
They obviously cannot get it for "free", and neither can you. |
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Kearnstd
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Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter ....
the RIAA couldnt afford to upgrade the comcast network. however the ISPs should bill the RIAA $10,000 per request for a name related to an IP unless there is a court order signed by a judge local to the offender.
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said by TKJunkMail :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. Translation: "Smaller businesses do not matter." |
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RIAA: This isn't working.
RIAA: Lawsuits cost us too much time and money to collect too little money.
RIAA: Need another plan.
RIAA: Get someone else to do the work for us.
RIAA: ISP's are chickenshit, they'll do it.
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RIAA: Hello.
Small ISP: Hello.
RIAA: I am contacting you on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America, Inc. (RIAA) and its member music companies. The RIAA is a trade association whose member companies create, manufacture, and distribute approximately ninety (90) percent of all legitimate music sold in the United States.
We believe a user on your network is offering an infringing sound recording for download through a peer to peer application. We have attached below the details of the infringing activity.
We have a good faith belief that this activity is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. We are asking for your immediate assistance in stopping this illegal activity. Specifically, we respectfully request that you remove or disable access to the unauthorized music.
Small ISP: LOL
RIAA: Thank you in advance for your prompt assistance in this matter.
Small ISP: Where do I send the bill?
RIAA: WTF?
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RIAA: This isn't working. |
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Cheese
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Naples, FL
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Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter ....
said by maartena :said by hopeflicker :said by TKJunkMail :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. ohh, that would just elate you, would it? But u know it will never happen. I know TWC users have already begun receiving notices from Time Warner. (See RoadRunner topic, someone that got caught opened a topic). What makes you think that Comcast, AT&T and Verizon won't do the same? Um, people have been getting notices from these guys for a while now? These letters are not something new, and currently, all they do is just send the letter out, the RIAA wants them to enforce the letters they are sending out now.... |
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