Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ | This isn't surprising...
Since none of the companies advertise that they are available nor do they educate customers as to what they are for. |
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jjoshua
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | No incentive
There is no incentive for the cable company to use cablecards. There is no extra revenue from VOD or interactive advertising. |
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CableGei
Premium
join:2004-05-27
Brookville, OH
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Cincinnati Bell
 ·magicjack.com
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·tw telecom
| CableCARDs suck.
Installs go "horribly awry" because it's a technology that's hard to support from the stand point that the line has to be drawn somewhere on what is supported and what isn't supported. Once a CableCARD has been inserted and the Host ID of the customer's equipment is registered in the cable company's systems - that's about all that can be done. Not all equipment shows the same diagnostic information if any. If it doesn't work, it's not the cable company's responsibility to troubleshoot customer owned equipment. |
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ | Not sure if I believe those numbers...
So Tivo sold less than 6,000 HD boxes a month nationwide?
And why don't they put how many Cable cards they have installed instead of an ambiguous number like 18,000 PEOPLE called in.... |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
Premium
join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs:
·ViaTalk
| Could it be
Well lets see....
Could it be the mandatory onsite install they they fail on?
The $40 per card install fee?
The $2/mo fee per card when you only need a single dual stream card?
Can't wait till they go 100% digital and we all get screwed with a shiny new box none of us want to have or pay for. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| And you are free to use Dish or DirecTV that require that same shiny box and charge you per box/per month for. But Why bitch about that due to its a requirement of the business.
Why bitch about the cable companies when you can go bitch about ATT for requiring a STB as well and does NOT use cable cards and NOT required to.
But then again their time will come and they'll be forced to do the same- or do it the easy way and just stop offering TV like they did before with Americast and ATT Broadband. |
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rifleman69
join:2006-04-12
Beaverton, OR | reply to Fubar
Re: Not sure if I believe those numbers...
That's about right on the TiVo numbers, could be even less as well. |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
Premium
join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs:
·ViaTalk
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Could it be
Here is my problem, you see I have this shiny HD Tivo I own, it's mine.
I love the interface, I love the way it works.
It has a digital tuner and technically like every other QAM tuner tv is capable of doing the job.
Cox wants to force me into the Digital revolution because it saves them money. I get that.
They can also sell more premium channels and faster Internet. I get that too.
Problem is it raises my cable bill $25 a month so I can save them money and they can sell more stuff. Did I miss something? I don't want more stuff.
I have no problems going digital, and I have no problems with a BOX, my problem is I already own BOXES, and I even tried the CableCARD route and it did not work, 4 trips out to my house I called it quits.
I love my Tivo, I paid for my Tivo and the only thing keeping it from working to it's full potential is my one and only cable provider blocking it because they want me using their box, for an additional fee. And it's not Tivo.
They said they were getting Tivo on the Motorolas, but then again they said the CableCARDS would work too. |
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jvanbrecht
join:2007-01-08
Bowie, MD
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc  :And you are free to use Dish or DirecTV that require that same shiny box and charge you per box/per month for. But Why bitch about that due to its a requirement of the business. Yeah, you should do some fact checking, neither Directv nor Dish require a person rent equipment from them. They have no problems with you buying your own equipment, since the Sat providers rely on simcard technology, similar to cable cards.
Secondly, there is no requirement of a business model to force people to rent equipment, its a choice they made to generate a revenue stream (its not the only reason, but its a big part of it). |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
|  Why does it require a truck roll to install a cableCARD?
Maybe more people would get cableCARDs if it didn't require a truck roll to have them installed.
I have no idea why this is done any way. You should be able to go to your local office and pick up a cableCARD just like you do a cable box. They could write down the card's serial number at the office and that way your the card would already be activated when you installed it.
If the cable company requires pairing, they could set up a phone number you could call to tell them the pairing numbers. Better yet, set up a web site where you could enter the pairing info in and have it done automatically.
When I had 2 cards paired with my S3, except for calling a "special" number to get directly to the dispatch, I did everything myself. All the guy did was repeat the numbers I told him to into the phone.
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
Premium
join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
clubs:
| said by Morac :[...] I have no idea why this is done any way. You should be able to go to your local office and pick up a cableCARD just like you do a cable box. They could write down the card's serial number at the office and that way your the card would already be activated when you installed it. If the cable company requires pairing, they could set up a phone number you could call to tell them the pairing numbers. Better yet, set up a web site where you could enter the pairing info in and have it done automatically. When I had 2 cards paired with my S3, except for calling a "special" number to get directly to the dispatch, I did everything myself. All the guy did was repeat the numbers I told him to into the phone. Agree with you 100%, but you're missing the point. What you are asking is for the cable co. to work with subscribers to get a piece of equipment working that denies the cable co. the goose laying the golden eggs (renting the digital settop box from the cable co.) Pardon my French, but there just ain't no fuckin' way the cable co. will enable a subscriber to bypass one of their cash cows, and, that is the primary reason why cableCARDS aren't fairing so well. Essentially, it is resistance from the cable cos.
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AVonGauss
Premium,MVM
join:2007-11-01
Boynton Beach, FL
| reply to The Beer
Re: Could it be
said by The Beer :Here is my problem, you see I have this shiny HD Tivo I own, it's mine. While you do own the box, you are also required to pay a monthly fee (in my opinion, a rather heavy one) to use the box that you bought. If you stop paying the monthly fee, you basically have a very expensive door stop. Not sure if that is really any better than renting a cable / sat box. |
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jchambers28
join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR | reply to Morac
Re: Why does it require a truck roll to install a cableCARD?
cox wants to charge me 50 bucks per cable card and TiVo requires 2 single streams that's 100 bucks for an install. |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
Premium
join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs: | reply to AVonGauss
Re: Could it be
Yea but its my choice, I have the lifetime service on it but I am not forced to drive their chevy. |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..
1 edit | It took less than FIVE minutes to install a CableCARD...
In my Tivo-HD...
In fact Comcast said I had to install it my self or pay $45 for a service call.
I stopped by the office, picked up an "M" card. Popped it in the Tivo and instantly a screen came up that said "This screen provided by your cable company. Please dial 1-###-###-#### to activate service."
So I called the number, spoke to a guy that had me read some other numbers off the screen. Less than ten seconds later he said to try a few channels and make sure you are getting everything.
Bingo, good to go  |
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robbob340
K.U. Sweet 16
Premium
join:2001-02-15
Wichita, KS
| Besides the Tivo...
Maybe I have not been looking in the right places, but are there any new tv's being sold that have the CC slot? My 37 inch Samsung and my brother in laws 52 inch do not have one. I do not see the retailers pushing it either. I remember the Samsung DLPs from 2004-2005 did have one though. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to jvanbrecht
Re: Could it be
What do you call DirecTV and DishNetworks Extra Box per Month Fee? of roughly $5-7 per month per room? That's not extra? You better learn to get your facts right.
And good luck getting them to sell you any equipment. They only like their nice leases for 18 months. And yes it is a business requirement of Dish and DirecTV as you ARE Required to use their box other wise is does not allow you to view the programming you paid for in that month.
And i know how Dish & DirecTV work. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
1 edit | reply to CableGei
Re: CableCARDs suck.
Considering that the cable industry developed this "hard to support" technology it is difficult to generate much sympathy for them as they (and, apparently, you) whine about what you are and are not willing to troubleshoot.
Bottom line, they didn't want it in the first place and are doing everything possible to make it fail. Installs go "horribly arwy" because there is no financial incentive for cablers to make sure they don't. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to major marco
Re: Why does it require a truck roll to install a cableCARD?
said by major marco :What you are asking is for the cable co. to work with subscribers to get a piece of equipment working that denies the cable co. the goose laying the golden eggs (renting the digital settop box from the cable co.) Pardon my French, but there just ain't no fuckin' way the cable co. will enable a subscriber to bypass one of their cash cows Don't you still have to rent/lease the cableCARD from your cableco? Short of the cableco potentially loosing revenue on VoD and DVR functionality, I'd think cableCARDs are actually more economical for the cablecos. I would expect cablecos' costs to procure STBs are greater than those of cableCARDs. |
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Barovelli
join:2002-04-03
Pacific Grove, CA
·Comcast
·Comcast
| reply to robbob340
Re: Besides the Tivo...
Thanks for asking - I too notice that in the first phases, only high end sets were equipped to use the card. The electronics industry never went further. A wider installed base would have helped push the technology further.
Zenith did the same thing in the 80s. Called RediPlug, it was a DIN connector that patched a Zenith cable box to a Zenith TV. Only installed on high end sets. Never took off.
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