anicetoemma
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He may have something now that those free speech idiots will have nothing to argue about now. When there kids grow up yanking or fingering their little pricks those activist bastards can cry about pron and the free internet that provided it.
I think this is a good step forward. Maybe this country can finally get real nationwide internet access going and eventually even this will be upgraded to something better, although I will stick with the cable internet I get. Much faster. he he! |
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pnh102
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| said by anicetoemma  :He may have something now that those free speech idiots will have nothing to argue about now. You're right. They are idiots. There was never a free speech issue because government cannot legally censor other Internet services that people can choose to pay for.
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DarkLogix
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and say if you don't want your kid to see this or that create an open DNS account and control it
(ie set the DHCP server to give out the DNS servers used by open DNS) |
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pnh102
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| said by DarkLogix :Just make them use Open DNS Provided the ISP isn't using some other filtering method. For example, if an ISP decides to null route unwanted sites by IP address, it won't make a difference if you use OpenDNS.
Personally, I wouldn't mind a "free to me" wireless option which is not paid for by taxpayers.
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But by pulling the anti-smut provision, this proposal may have lost 2 votes on the commission - the 2 Republicans. While MAYBE picking up the 2 Dems on the FCC, I doubt they will do anything with this until Martin is gone and a new FCC chair is in place. I think the Dems will wait until the new Chairman is in place and the sweetheart deal Martin has pushed for M2Z may no longer be on the table.
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said by anicetoemma :He may have something now that those free speech idiots will have nothing to argue about now. Yeah, now the religious extremists are going to kick and scream about kids being able to access porn and demand that the provision be put back in so the government can do the job of lazy parents. You just can't win. 
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1 edit | said by NetAdmin :said by anicetoemma :He may have something now that those free speech idiots will have nothing to argue about now. Yeah, now the religious extremists are going to kick and scream about kids being able to access porn and demand that the provision be put back in so the government can do the job of lazy parents. You just can't win. That's not the governments problem, its the parents. If you don't want your kid to see smut, then put filters on your computer; its not hard at all (and many paid program really make this easy). And if parents want to complain about it, its only their own ignorance and stupidity at fault for not knowing how to use a computer. It's not like the internet came out yesterday. Google is everyone's friend all you really have to type is "how to block porn" and you get a wealth of information on how to do it. If you don't want to sit down and read and figure out how to do it, then don't complain, the only person who is to blame is yourself. You can even ask a local geek, but if you don't something then its just your fault/ your own stupidity.
Personally, I could care either way as its just "art" to me. Who really cares? Oh look its someone naked. Oh look its someone having sex. Are we really that dysfunctional as a society that we disgrace normal human actions? Some of the "smut" out there is a little out there, I will grant you that, but if its a guy and a girl going at it then its ok. Sex is a normal human function, whats next we are going to say that having our faces exposed is obscene? "Oh no I can see his tongue, that is so gross...arrest that man for indecent exposure!" I'm not saying to embrace "smut", but there are things out there a lot worse that I wouldn't even want my own kids to see. Oh trust me, you can't even think of the horrors that are out there. |
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said by TKJunkMail :But by pulling the anti-smut provision, this proposal may have lost 2 votes on the commission - the 2 Republicans. While MAYBE picking up the 2 Dems on the FCC, I doubt they will do anything with this until Martin is gone and a new FCC chair is in place. I think the Dems will wait until the new Chairman is in place and the sweetheart deal Martin has pushed for M2Z may no longer be on the table. My armchair QB view is that Martin wouldn't have brought this back up unless he had the votes and can do it on circulation (quickly).
The "take-it-down-and-focus-on-DTV" excuse (lie) was just an excuse to avoid an embarrassing public vote-down. If it was truth, we wouldn't have ANY new proposal today. If he didn't think he could pass it, we also wouldn't have ANY new proposal today.
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I wouldn't go as far as to consider it all "art." While our values about sex are way too puritan, I think that < 5% of adult content is probably art.
The rest is stuff that maybe satisfies or repulses our sexual tastebuds but doesn't significantly add to the collection of things we'd call 'art.' Once the fascination wears off, the ever-present and continuous flow of it makes it no less annoying than spam.
I think it's why people find it easier to justify banning porn. Even if my theory is true, though, I worry that banning stuff has exactly the wrong result.
It's our taboo culture that creates demand (and economic value) for porn. Porn's price isn't high because it's rare -- it's not rare. Its price isn't high because it's difficult to create -- it takes no real effort to make.
Our culture is brought up thinking "nudity" = "sin" and that skin is something that only those with loose morals (and perfect bodies) ought to show. We're the culture that puts robes over the breasts of the statue of Justice and positions our planters to block view of the genitals of our historic Greek statues.
It's not unlike the dichotomy that banning alcohol brings. Our taboo culture struggles with teens who access booze and adults who too-quickly become addicted to it. The world's other cultures who don't ban alcohol seem to have far fewer problems with alcohol-related crimes and illnesses.
As kids, adults in those cultures probably were exposed to such things and its casual commonality meant that a pent-up fascination never got a chance to develop. Each subsequent generation becomes mentally healthier as a result.
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I'm not saying as an alternitive to ISP DNS just make Open DNS be ISP DNS for the free internet
I figure its good enough and easily circumvented by anyone that knows so it would just be a "here you go be happy and don't yell at us when your kid gets around it" type thing
I figure it would end up cleaning the internet for 75-90% of people and would basicly be free to the ISP and then if someone wants a faster service then they pay and get moved over to a differant DHCP server that issues a normal DNS server address in its leases |
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said by anicetoemma :He may have something now that those free speech idiots will have nothing to argue about now. When there kids grow up yanking or fingering their little pricks those activist bastards can cry about pron and the free internet that provided it. I think this is a good step forward. Maybe this country can finally get real nationwide internet access going and eventually even this will be upgraded to something better, although I will stick with the cable internet I get. Much faster. he he! Much faster when you are in a fixed location, your cable isn't going to go everywhere with you.... |
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said by anicetoemma :He may have something now that those free speech idiots will have nothing to argue about now. When there kids grow up yanking or fingering their little pricks those activist bastards can cry about pron and the free internet that provided it. Or how about parents actually doing their jobs and paying attention to what their kids do online. But I'm sure that will be much too hard for them to do, so we need the federal government to take on the job. Yeah, that's a great solution. That way, instead of filters that parents can turn on, off, or modify as needed, we'll be stuck with a government-mandated blacklist for everyone that no one, not even adults, can opt out of.
And freedom of speech isn't idiotic. Once you allow the government to censor what you can say, print, read, or see, you lose access to any information other than what the powers-that-be want you to see. Would you prefer you or the government to dictate whether your child can read about contraception online? There are plenty of folks who say that adolescents should only be taught abstinence and nothing about safe sex. How would you feel if these folks got enough political influence to decide that the mandated filters should be adjusted to only allow material they agree with to be let through? |
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said by NetAdmin :said by anicetoemma :He may have something now that those free speech idiots will have nothing to argue about now. Yeah, now the religious extremists are going to kick and scream about kids being able to access porn and demand that the provision be put back in so the government can do the job of lazy parents. You just can't win. Just out of curiosity if this plan goes ahead are you actully going to use this free 768 kbps service? I'm not. I'm not dumping 10 Mbps service for 768 kbps just to save $50. |
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| said by BF69 :Just out of curiosity if this plan goes ahead are you actully going to use this free 768 kbps service? I'm not. I'm not dumping 10 Mbps service for 768 kbps just to save $50. When I travel, I'll use it. There is no way I would replace my hardwired connection with it.
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>>Or how about parents actually doing their jobs and paying attention to what their kids do online. But I'm sure that will be much too hard for them to do, so we need the federal government to take on the job. Yeah, that's a great solution. That way, instead of filters that parents can turn on, off, or modify as needed, we'll be stuck with a government-mandated blacklist for everyone that no one, not even adults, can opt out of.
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It's a lot easier to tun outside and cuss out the Goodie Bar Man than it is to tell the kids NO and to sit down and shut up!!
Yep they do that blame the goodie bar man for the kids acting up. Been there! Ding-a-Ling
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