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Comments on news posted 2009-01-03 09:57:03: There's no scientific evidence that Wi-Fi is a health hazard, but that hasn't stopped those who believe otherwise from trying to stop Wi-Fi deployment, usually citing non-existent evidence. ..

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rf tech

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bio reaction to emf fields

A lot of very interesting research has been done re: physiological reactions to emf fields. There are some
very interesting and repeatable effects that can be
demonstrated. Some useful, some harmful and some just
curious indeed. A good place to start is "The Body Electric"
by Becker. Accurate field mapping (tri-field meters,etc)
is always eye opening for most people. They worry about
the big power lines when it's the electric clock next to
the bed which is almost always the biggest exposure.
Science beats superstition every time. That said, there
are individuals uniquely sensitive to certain frequencies.
I have met people who blindfolded can tell if a wireless-g
router is on or off!

knightmb
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Re: bio reaction to emf fields

said by rf tech :

I have met people who blindfolded can tell if a wireless-g
router is on or off!
That's not a valid test though. I can tell you if a wireless-g router is on or off with a blindfold by simply feeling for the heater generated by the router, but that doesn't mean I have an extra sense for wi-fi detection.

No one has passed a double blind test yet, so until they do, anyone that claims they can is blowing smoke. Otherwise, they would qualify for the $1 million Randy grant because it would fall under "paranormal" powers right now.

Send your friend here »www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-···ion.html
Collect the $1 million and either live well or donate it to charity
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Mantixx

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Re: bio reaction to emf fields

Actually no. The 'Amazing' Randy is more of a fraud then all them combined. Research it and you'll see.

As for 'feeling' radio waves, I work in an Electrical utility and we use 'Freewave' radios (900 Mhz spread spectrum - hop bands) for some serial radio links. There are 9 guys on my staff and myself and only 1 other can tell when one of them is 'on' or 'off (not transmitting) in the workshop (across the room). We both feel as if the front of our heads are really strange and we both get dizzy. The others dont feel a thing and think we're nuts. The radios output 1 watt and we can adjust them by .1 W increments. We both can feel them transmitting down to about .2 - .3 W output.

So in regards to the OP and the townsfolk, odds are they're just nutso and dont feel anything. But if you get enough power output and you're close enough to ANY radio transmitter, some people CAN feel it.

Have fun
cpsycho

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Wireless transmission and other signals.

I do admit somethings bug me and others dont when it comes to signals and transmissions. Some people can somehow hear power transformers buzzing others cant. Some hear the white noise of a tv others cant. But for a whole town to complain, it would be rather odd.

Personaly I hear white noise from Tv's and I hear transformers buzzing away.

Remember not everyone is the same or reacts the same to the same thing.

We also have to step back and see what we are doing to the other living creatures on this planet

»www.independent.co.uk/environmen···768.html

I know this is happening. On our street during the time of spring summer and fall usualy on the week ends and evenings when people would be home in the neighborhood bees are confused flying around trees up and down the street.

I would like to take the same side as Tao. We do not know what happens to what usualy untill its hurt something. Anyone saying they know for a fact that magnetic fields cant hurt us, just dont know magnitic fields.

knightmb
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Re: Wireless transmission and other signals.

said by cpsycho See Profile :

I would like to take the same side as Tao. We do not know what happens to what usualy untill its hurt something. Anyone saying they know for a fact that magnetic fields cant hurt us, just dont know magnitic fields.
Magnetic fields can do both, but people don't really understand what a scientist means when he/she talks about magnetic fields. The Earth is one giant magnet, but all life on this planet isn't failing at once because of it.

Magnetic fields is really an incorrect way to talk about it though, just like talking about a computer but everyone calls it a "hard drive" which is incorrect as well, even though we know what they mean.
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giantsrule

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I think cellphones, n+ wifi & wimax/lte may be cig-fated

Remember what happened to cigarettes about a decade ago, give or take. Taxes pounded their prices to such untouchable levels, if smoking wasn't so addictive, I think it would have abandoned it a long time ago.

Well wait, now the problem its getting from hmmm to noticeable enough to discuss it more. I get spinning headaches sometimes out of the blue when in front of my laptop, I just have to walk away. Cellphones are no different, most times I can't even use the left side of my head cause I get a bad, bad headache, have to switch to the right side.

Soon I believe people are going to start to get tumors, I have read some horror stories, I have almost completely given up cellphones and use only b/g for wireless, I would never buy Wimax either but thats me; once I get a brain tumor, there's no going back.

matrixphone

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some details

People in the EuuuuuuuKaaaaaaaaay are always coming up with some fluff about wireless this and that but they are most famous for political correctness. If they had their way there would be a camera in every toilet in the world and every turd would be measured:-(

I don't think wireless routers are harming people but I have to admit I don't ever stand too close to a microwave while it's on lol. I also don't like using cell phones because I think they may emit way too much radiation when struggling to keep a call from dropping. Also see johny cochrane and the original cell phone for more info on brain tumors.

Does anyone remember that phone marketed from the first matrix movie? It was outlawed here in the US for some reason but it was sold a lot in europe. why was that?

The one thing that bothers me the most about all this newage bio electric field crap is that somewhere in the world even today there are some people that can get things like spoons and irons to stick to them like a magnet to metal. These weirdos have been recorded in various documentaries throughout the last several decades and show on pbs channel at one time or another. These things can't be explained or explored properly by scientists because a bunch of hippies and wierdos get in the way and hype up their interpretation of what is going on.

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funny

smoking/asbestos/mercury/iron etc were all part of the mainstream at one time also. these people may be nuts but it still too early too definitively decide if the emf field has and effect or not..
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FastiBook

join:2003-01-08
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Tech.

Tech NO logc.

They got tech, but no logic.

I'm a "look before you leap" kinda guy with some stuff. I gotta say that this isnt something i'd give a second thought to.

Next thing you know they will want us to put the lotion on its skin & dress like we are in 1800.

- A
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Being used as weapons too

»au.youtube.com/watch?v=YFKkqtbTM···=related
DarkLogix

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Re: Being used as weapons too

Here's an Idea if you live next to one of "them" do the following

if you have a tomato capable AP crank the power out put all the way up

next

Buy a 15DB ant »www.radiolabs.com/products/anten···enna.php

next

Buy a .5watt WiFi amp from the same site »www.radiolabs.com/products/wirel···fier.php

Put the ant in the attic

then make it non-broadcasting and WPA2-AES so they can't know its on
then from time to time switch it off for a week and see if the notice

If they infact are able to tell when its off the its for real but that won't happen

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My Chi

You can mess with my chakras, but leave my chi alone.

nanunanu

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youmakemelaugh

I'm really loving all the preconceptions of people with some doubt to the safety of a new technology. I really dig the hippies and the kids in foil hats. So let's give you frakkers some food for thought.

Real scientist performed a simple experiment where an egg was placed between 2 active cell phones. It cooked the egg!!! I think it took 30 or 45 minutes. But this was probably some kind of propaganda propagated by the hippies.

Stop reciting the scientific facts, there's no such thing. There are only scientific opinions which are replaced by other opinions when the previous opinion is proven wrong and that is indeed a fact! The smartest people on the planet know next to nothing but pretend otherwise.

Progress? What is it really? New technologies or advancements that actually take us somewhere? Does it improve the quality of life or are we just buying the next big thing?

Stop poking fun at chakra. This stuff has been around longer than wifi and still very few of us understand it less.

Keep an open mind.
dave
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Re: youmakemelaugh

»www.snopes.com/science/cookegg.asp
mjwise

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said by nanunanu :

Keep an open mind.
I see yours has already fallen out.

Tzale
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Orgonomy

Who here has heard of Orgonomy? It deals with all of this stuff... Supposedly, some people build "Orgonite Holy Hand Grenades" and place them all around cell towers, wi-fi hotspots, etc. They also use Orgonite to "bust" clouds by building Orgonite Cloud Busters! haha...

»www.littlemountainsmudge.com/how···hhgs.htm

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dave
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Re: Orgonomy

Here you are:

»skepdic.com/orgone.html

More importantly:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=osyJ0wKAPqk

bmx2

@videotron.ca

Fear of technology

This story reminds me of when the telephone was first inventedin my hometown (Quebec City in Canada). Back then, the local telephone company started to erect telephone poles and wire houses. During the winter, there was a terrible flu outbreak. People were so convinced that this new invention had transmitted the flu from house to house over the telephone wires, that they set all the telephone poles on fire in order to break all forms of possible transmissions!

Fortunately, this did not stop progress or the telephone expansion. One century later, we all have cellphones in our pockets... funny how technology can be perceived by some people who do not understand it.

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clubs:

That would explain why...

...I can't perform Kage Bunshin no Jutsu nor use my Sharingan at home, my chakra flow is being interrupted by wi-fi.

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"Why Wi-Fi Campaign" Website

»glastonburynaturalhealth.co.uk/WhyWi-Fi.html

I perused the front page of one of the sites mentioned in this article. Their "campaign" is rooted in safety standards set forth by other countries. For example, in Sweden and Italy, the "safety levels [are] 100 times lower than in the UK."; the German government has issued a warning about possible health concerns; and four libraries in France have "switched off" their Wi-Fi due to anecdotal health concerns.

Anecdotal evidence shouldn't be discarded outright. In fact, it is a great impetus for scientific research.

What also seems to be of issue here is that Glastonbury residents were not included in the process of Wi-Fi implementation. In the US, city/town council meetings open to the public would be held and the citizen's concerns would be heard and taken into consideration. Is there a similar process in UK towns?

I can understand the resident's concerns. It would be prudent, in my opinion, to hold an information seminar(s) to discuss the issues at hand rather than to just dismiss and bowl over the citizen's concerns. People fear what they don't understand; that doesn't make them loony. The remedy is education mixed with a healthy dose of diplomacy.

Just my 2¢ on the matter.
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LOL

Soo, i guess they dont need cell phones do they lots more power and they hold that to thier head, ohh, and got forbid TV!!!!! lol this is a joke i so dont even wanna get started here!
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