pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Out With the Old
I noticed better indoor coverage when AT&T upgraded this area to 3G service. I can now use my phone in the basement of my house.
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Whatever AT&T is doing ..
I have to give them a thumbs up. My 3G service is finally working ... dare I say ... well in the Los Angeles area. The difference is night and day compared to when I first got this iphone 3G. The phone used to spend most of the time falling back to Edge with anything less than perfect 3G signal. have not had trouble with our old iphone 2G either.
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Great4iphone
|  Moved from Los Angeles CA to St Louis MO, better 3G!
In the greater Los Angeles area 3G is everywhere.
But the iPhone 3G has such a small antenna and placed at bottom when held it would revert to Edge everywhere.
In St Louis it's the opposite, Egde coverage is worse than 3G. On the the iPhone 3g coverage is now great! Amaizing!
As the 3G network becomes the main network, edge network will be slowly pushed out.
Sucks if your on edge, but if your on edge chances are you will only use voice which is not as demanding as data. All data and voice at the same time users will be on the best 850 network.
Typed this on iPhone 3G w/ AT&T network  |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03
·CableOne
| No Surprise
This is typical of most companies. When new technology comes out, it starts costing too much to support old technology. Sometimes some customers get screwed because they don't want to or can't upgrade (OnStar, anyone?), but it's collateral damage.
In this case, however, I think it's premature. There's simply too many EDGE users out there and too little 3G coverage for them to start phasing EDGE out. I understand that if they migrate more users to the 3G network, they can further deploy it, but as Karl said, "...there's still a lot of traditional 2G/EDGE customers under long-term contract out there (including first gen iPhone, RAZR and Blackberry users)..."
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Just the way it goes
I do not see a real problem here. They're moving the most used services to the better spectrum and the least used and soon to be phased out services to a lesser spectrum.
We did the same thing with getting people off AMPS, we made dual mode phones, then digital only to bridge the gap between the services as we got ready to shut down analog cell services.
Same will happen with LTE, 3G will once again at some point be bumped back to the higher frequencies in markets where there are no 700mhz bands to put LTE on.
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | I don't understand
If they are moving some edge areas from 850 to 1900 does that mean they are moving 3G in those areas to the 850 band? Why exactly would they do this? Curious. |
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jjoshua
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | BB 8310
Sounds like my BB 8310 would be affected. That's hardly an old model.
I'll mention this to my company's IT department for future purchase decisions. |
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jaminus
join:2004-10-14
Arlington, VA
| reply to beaups
Re: I don't understand
Signals on the 850mhz band tend to work better for mobile users than signals on the 1900mhz band. While the output power for EDGE signals is the same on both bands, 1900mhz is a shorter wavelength and so the signal doesn't travel long distances from cell towers.
But on the flipside, 1900mhz signals penetrates buildings more easily than 850mhz signals, so mobile users in dense buildings with lots of metallic structural elements might actually notice better coverage thanks to the shift of EDGE from 850mhz to 1900mhz. |
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jaminus
join:2004-10-14
Arlington, VA
| 1900mhz works better in buildings
The summary posted here says that the "the 850 MHz band ... provided better coverage, particularly indoors" but then goes on to link to an article that states the following:
"Sometimes 1900 will work better in a city because 1900 MHz signals tend to work better in the middle of the city with large buildings as the shorter wavelength allows the signal to go around corners easier."
»www.cellguru.net/1900.htm |
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Dominokat
"Hi"
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join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
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·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to jjoshua
I-phone
Still very iffy "Edge" service here. Most of the time, "no service" or 1 bar. I can roam on to full bars "Edge" service with Unicell. My phone spend about 50/50 roaming. Definitely better roaming.....
3G service isn't available in my area.
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Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | I got no problem here there are so many cell towers AT&T
So many towers here, one problem is 3G drops a lot around here. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Worse?
It's crap now, and you say it's going to get worse? 
Wonderful!
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amdmaddness
join:2006-10-16
Greenville, SC
| Bunk
This story is absolute bunk. I work for at&t and my job is working on cell sites. We have in no way cut our 2g 850 and made it a 1900mhz site. One there is an issue with air rights and second the cell site equipment would have to be completely changed antennas(to either dual freq or seperate antennas)/radios/combiners/multicouplers etc. its not something you can flip a switch on or change a number to make 1900mhz. While we carve out 5-10mhz+ chunk of RF for UMTS there is plenty of spectrum left over for the 2g to continue to work. This complete bogus info. |
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waffleburger
join:2008-08-22
Blairstown, NJ | alright..
which one of the dslr staff is reading gizmodo |
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Smile__
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join:2008-10-10
Baltimore, MD | Thank you AT&T..
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WiFiguru
Formerly jnethostman
Premium
join:2005-06-21
Lodi, CA
| reply to waffleburger
Re: alright..
said by waffleburger  :which one of the dslr staff is reading gizmodo This was also posted on various cellular forums. |
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pabster
join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA
·Mediacom
| I think someone was spoofed here.
...Because they're full of BS.
AT&T isn't "switching" EDGE over to 1900 exclusively. There may well be areas where they have very limited spectrum and want to run the 3G on 850 pushing EDGE to 1900, but that is the exception and not the norm.
This is the kind of sensational quasi-journalism which really, really sucks.
**At the very least, you may want to retitle "May" see a downgrade. Because it isn't nationwide and like I said, exception, not rule.** |
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RadioAktivitet
@charter.com
| Basics of phisiscs
OK: 850 MHz - bigger foot print / 1900 MHz - smaller foot print.
Now, you would ask, why are they doing it? are they mad ?!
Nope...is just capacity.
OK - recap: if I give you a footprint of say 8 miles radius, the user x, at the fringe of the foot print can grab channels and use up a lot of capacity - internet voice, etc. - ( I will not enter here in EDGE / GPRS channel and resources allocation). You, user y closer to the tower, at times, you will not be able to connect, due to lack of resources, because of user(s) x. Enters 1900 MHz. In order to provide coverage for the licensed area of AT&T there are needed more 1900 MHz cells - so is no brainer that is not a good deal for AT&T to switch and move users to 1900. Still, why are they doing it??? Reason - more cells, more users. Now is true that the indoor penetration is not that great like 850, but between having blocked calls and no service for users, and having lower speeds, guess who wins ?!
So, here you have it. |
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ff1324
Everybody Goes Home
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join:2002-08-24
On Four Day | reply to NOCMan
Re: Just the way it goes
My 2G phone is only 5 months old. If they're phasing out the 2G network, why are they still selling equipment that only supports 2G? |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to amdmaddness
Re: Bunk
i agree 100%. there's 3g 850 and 3g 1900 here in los Angeles and gsm 850 and gsm 1900 bogus info indeed
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