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Methuen, MA | Bruce is always good for a laugh. Funny I was thinking about this clown this morning, wondering where he has been. This guy is a joke, this guy battles the same industry that kicked him out years ago. His acusations only hold water in BBR, this guy get's laughed out of every courtroom in the country. Funnt I don't see him in rage about cable companies do I smell bitterness?
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| You know what I notice about you guys that don't like him?
You absolutely never mention specifics, and you never debate his actual information. It's an immediate jump toward character assasination. Just like when an ex Bush administration employee comes out claiming Iraq was agenda number one. Why is that?
It's always insults and absolutely ZERO actual reason. Read yours. "Clown", "Joke", "bitter", "laughed out of every courtroom in the country"...... |
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14225-2105 | Well, I'd try, except that post is in something resembling English, but not English. When one does not seem to know fundamental principles, such as apostrophes are used for forming possessives and contractions (and I don't believe "get's" is either), it becomes difficult to interpret the author's thoughts. Plus, as you have mentioned, from what is legible, there are a ton of abstract accusations with no concrete specifics.
I'll just say it's mighty interesting how Verizon are allowed to list just "surcharges" without explaining anything. When I asked a Verizon CSR about this once, she explained these are from Buffalo, Erie County, and (it was a while ago) maybe even New York State. It's as if they couldn't afford the toner/ink to print from where the surcharge is being levied and for what reason.
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Methuen, MA | reply to Minister
I don't need to state any facts, because 95% of BBR will disagree with me because your too brainwashed to reason any facts. Your just "programmed" to hate anything that has "bell" attatched to it's name.
Please Bruce is for the people as much as any dirty politican or corporation trying to make $. "Yes send me your bill I will revise for any "errors" that the evil baby bell has STOLEN from you, & I will collect 50% of whatever credit you receive." For the people? Yeah so is the government. 
The guy is a clown that is my personal opinion, Verizon, SBC, Bellsouth are not perfect. But explain to me how cable companies price hikes & their shady tactics (other than bandwidth over usage) is almost never discussed about on BBR? Yet on a weekly basis there is some article about how some bell is doing something wrong. Ohhh & is this the part where you call me a bell shill?
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| I'd be interested in your rebuttal Actually you do need to state facts if you want any credibility.
You certainly have less credibility than Teletruth because your only response has been ad hominem attacks not only on Kushnik ("clown"), but on the BBR readship as a whole ("too brainwashed").
I would be interested to see you produce a well-thought, written rebuttal to Teletruth or at least to this topic. |
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Methuen, MA | reply to rchandra
Re: Bruce is always good for a laugh. said by rchandra:
I'll just say it's mighty interesting how Verizon are allowed to list just "surcharges" without explaining anything. When I asked a Verizon CSR about this once, she explained these are from Buffalo, Erie County, and (it was a while ago) maybe even New York State. It's as if they couldn't afford the toner/ink to print from where the surcharge is being levied and for what reason.
Thank You very much for the english lesson. I didnt excuse I mean "didn't" no or excuse me again "know" that my grammer why excuse me I just keep messing up, I meant my "grammar" was as important as the topic at hand.
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 sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
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Funny that even though Bruce was "laughed out of courtrooms" they won a settlement in a class-action in New Jersey.
said by NewNetworks:
Class Action Suit Settlement for Small Businesses in New Jersey Our survey found multiple mistakes on customer phone bills. Teletruth has helped to initiate two class action suits based on the survey results. On March 30th, 2004, the first case against Verizon was settled. Our survey found that 40% of the small businesses under 5 lines in New Jersey were missing their discounts. Our second case found that at least 10% of small businesses were paying for non-existent 'special circuits', such as an alarm circuit.
And if you don't trust their website ("hey, maybe Bruce made this all up"), then here's a link:
»www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/bas···ger?btel
This article isn't about cable, it's about phone bills and whether or not one should trust the total. I'm sure that if Bruce had the time and energy to go after the cable companies, the cell carriers and anyone else he would, but he knows the phone biz, so that's where he focuses his energy.
The only difference in opinion I see is that you believe this is an honest mistake, made hundreds of thousands of times while other people perhaps see it another way. I'd live very comfortably on the money made by billing every Verizon customer $0.01/month. Oh yeah, and "oops, we lost the billing records so we can't contact the people owed money". Yep, just a little error. Nothing to see here, move on. Bahhhhhhhh.
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Ohhh & is this the part where you call me a bell shill?
No, this is the part where I repeat that you're simply attacking his character without actually refuting data (or even reading any of it, I'm guessing). |
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Methuen, MA | You know very much, we have gone back & forth for a long time about this. It's not the first or second or eighth time this type of thread has been started.
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 JakCrow
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Palo Alto, CA | reply to Sisqo
You must be reading a different BBR. How many times has the "bundling" issue come up about cablecos? Or how about the franchise fees cablecos have charged customers for internet access even though they weren't supposed to? Reads like you're only seeing what you want to see to prop up your hollow argument. |
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Methuen, MA | reply to sporkme
sporkme  I am not saying the charges are simple errors, you know the bells are regulated. So basically every charge that is on there is legit, does it stink? Yes it does! Am I going to start a thread every week on how much I hate bells? No I'm not, if I spent my time doing this I wouldn't do business with any company. No cable,no gas, no light, no internet,no wireless.
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OK, where? Then why don't you point us to these facts or the most poignant parts of the previously posted topics? |
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Re: Bruce is always good for a laugh. said by Sisqo:
sporkme I am not saying the charges are simple errors, you know the bells are regulated. So basically every charge that is on there is legit,
The Bell's aren't regulated in this regard. They are regulated in line sharing and how much they can charge for that, but in what they charge for their own services no. About the only thing you can say is regulated is they are told to fork out money for certain things and are allowed to pass it on to the consumer. The problem is are they actually using this money for what its supposed to be for. |
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said by Minister:
You absolutely never mention specifics, and you never debate his actual information.
You want specifics? OK.
TeleTruth is a for profit company. As a spinoff of Kushnick's New Networks consulting company, they are professional Bell bashers. That automatically puts his "information" in a suspicious light.
It would seem to me then, that Kushnick is not the altruistic crusader that he would like you to think he is. He does this for the money. In other words, he's a paid shill just like the ILEC spin doctors he claims to be fighting.
A cursory look at the TeleTruth website leads one to believe they are a grass roots consumer group fighting for the little guy. Heck, they even accept "donations". But if you dig around a bit you'll see that Kushnick earns a living doing this, so like any huckster salesman he has a vested interest in persuading as many people as possible that the Bells suck...and that interest has little to do with "concern" for consumer rights.
That's not to say Kushnick is never right. Indeed, there is much to be said about the business tactics of the Bells. But as long as Kushnick paints his own image in the veneer of a selfless activist while at the same time earning a good profit off it, his credibility will, rightfully, be questioned.
And that, specifically, is why I distrust him at least as much as I distrust the Bells...perhaps more so.
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It would seem to me then, that Kushnick is not the altruistic crusader that he would like you to think he is. He does this for the money. In other words, he's a paid shill just like the ILEC spin doctors he claims to be fighting.
A Paid shill for who? Consumers? Oh no! I hate those greedy SOB's!  I'm going to guess the money he makes stuck in constant litigation against massive multi-billion dollar corporations with endless pockets isn't buying him mansions in the South of France.
I have no problem with eyeing his releases with skepticism, but again, do you see any claims that aren't accurate that you care to take issue with? That's a big long post questioning his legitimacy and motivation, but again....absolutely NO debate about anything he actually says....just like the guy above....(though more politely)..... |
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1 edit | said by Minister:
A Paid shill for who? Consumers?
Given that his "board of directors" and corporate membership consists of people connected with ISP associations and other consulting firms, as well a a few who "decline to be identified," I'd dare say he's a shill for the CLEC's and ISP,s.
Furthermore, TeleTruth claims to be "nonpartisan" but has none other than the president of democrats.com on the board.
Anyone can cook up a "fact" that supports their side. That's what spin doctors do. If you don't trust the source, then you can't trust the fact. And Kushnick is being less than straightforward about why he does what he does. It's not any more complicated than that.
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Must suck to have this ex-industry insider always airing the Bell's dirty little secrets. You can tell how hated he is by how hard they work to trash him personally and attack Teletruth constantly.
Every time he releases more embarrasing reports or points out overcharges, the Bell shills come out to attack his personal life or report that he is just jealous.
Sure, that must be it.
It's too bad our media giants are so beholden to corporate interests and the Government's PR that outrages like this don't make the regular news... instead being regulated only to industry sites and places like BBR and /.
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said by Sisqo:
I don't need to state any facts, because 95% of BBR will disagree with me because your too brainwashed to reason any facts.
Really. How interesting. And the Pro-Management Bell Shills of course are "Fair and Balanced" and in NO WAY would ever show any bias or favoritism. It must be nice knowing that you are always right and everyone else is wrong, and that everyone else is also too stupid to accept your version of what's right.
How nice.
Question: Do you ever wonder why a lot of people form a negative opinion of the Bells? Let me guess... "They were raised that way." or "They were brainwashed by the media." There, that sounds good.
It in NO WAY of course could be THROUGH PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and getting SHAFTED by the Bells that form these negative opinions. No, no, that CAN'T be it. It must be some vast-anti-Bell conspiracy to raise up millions of brainwashed Americans to hate the Phone company. That *must* be it!
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Ask yourself, why do ISP's, CLEC's, and other consumer groups support him or sit on the board.
Part of vast anti-Bell Conspiracy?
Or because they have been united by being on the receiving end of the Bell's shaftings? Anyone who ever ran/runs an independant ISP can go on and on about this....
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Methuen, MA | reply to KrK
said by KrK:
Must suck to have this ex-industry insider always airing the Bell's dirty little secrets. You can tell how hated he is by how hard they work to trash him personally and attack Teletruth constantly.
Every time he releases more embarrasing reports or points out overcharges, the Bell shills come out to attack his personal life or report that he is just jealous.
Sure, that must be it.
It's too bad our media giants are so beholden to corporate interests and the Government's PR that outrages like this don't make the regular news... instead being regulated only to industry sites and places like BBR and /.
Here we go..... Yes you have me all figured out, I've been a avid member of BBR for almost 2 years & never have had a problem if I disagree with any other member. The only time it has to be a huge controversy is when I disagree on this topic. It's incredible KrK if you got a nickle every time you called someone a "shill" for giving their opinions, you'd have a whole lot more than any of the bells.
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said by KrK:"Every time he releases more embarrasing reports or points out overcharges, the Bell shills come out to attack his personal life or report that he is just jealous".
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That is not what I'm debating, I am debating the fact that there are no NEW charges to point out, therefore these articles are repeating the same crap over & over & over.
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