 AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO | Check For The Union Label Well it's a good thing that union employees are more professional, you can only imagine what might have happened otherwise. |
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Disconnecting phone lines is something that typically happens when strikes are threatened, according to Lt. Mark Deal, head of Waterbury's detective bureau Deal.
Seems like it is a common practice for the unions; criminal activity to support your cause. So much for the professionalism of the unions. |
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ceyoungerBay Area moto n00b
join:2000-09-02
Mckinney, TX | The union is also encouraging people to switch their SBC long distance service to AT&T or cancel their SBC enhanced phone features. It's funny that they are doing that since when/if the strike is over/averted they need to return to work at the same company they shot in the foot.
Funny that if *I*, a non-union worker did that, I'd be fired. |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to AthlGrond
said by AthlGrond:
Well it's a good thing that union employees are more professional, you can only imagine what might have happened otherwise.
I always go out of my way to avoid union-made products at all costs. I want the job done right the first time, without having to worry about my legs being broken, and this is yet another example of why I have to do this.
I agree with the previous poster who said this guy should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I hope the customers affected by this jack@$$ also sue him into oblivion.
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL | reply to AthlGrond
said by AthlGrond:
Well it's a good thing that union employees are more professional, you can only imagine what might have happened otherwise.
The acts of one idiot do not represent the demeanor of the group as a whole. The union was not behind this. His actions are harmful to SBC, SBC customers, the union, union workers, himself, and his family. They helped no-one.
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 HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | reply to ceyounger
said by ceyounger:
The union is also encouraging people to switch their SBC long distance service to AT&T or cancel their SBC enhanced phone features.
Ironic, isn't it ?? Later, SBC would (have to ??) lay off "x" number of employees because of decreased revenues. The union's defense ?? That the CEO of SBC makes many millions of dollars a year... |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | reply to Maxo
According the AP article the "one idiot" said others may be doing the same thing. The article also quotes a law enforcement official saying this happens every time they go on strike.
Sounds to me like two or more union members routinely meet when strikes are threatened and discuss plans. |
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said by pnh102:
said by AthlGrond:
Well it's a good thing that union employees are more professional, you can only imagine what might have happened otherwise.
I always go out of my way to avoid union-made products at all costs. I want the job done right the first time, without having to worry about my legs being broken, and this is yet another example of why I have to do this.
I agree with the previous poster who said this guy should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I hope the customers affected by this jack@$$ also sue him into oblivion.
Well then, you might want to:
-sell your car or cars
-stop using electricity
-don't contract anyone to do electrical work in your home
-start working 90 hours a week and start hiring your children to dig coal or whatnot...;)
-don't buy anything made of steel (as if that's possible)
-don't use city water
-don't buy any clothes made in America (not so hard, but limits your choices)
I'm sure you get the point here-not all unions are the Jimmy Hoffa inspired mob pig pens you make them out to be.
I grow weary of hearing people spout off about unions. Sure, take us back to the 1920's. Sounds fine, for you I guess. Fact is, they created a lot of good in our country.
Like everyone in life, often there are bad eggs in the bunch. I guess you stopped watching professional sports after Pete Rose bet on baseball, steroids were found on the biggest home run hitters, etc. (not)
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 dg2Premium
join:2004-01-22
Lowell, AR
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I guess you stopped watching professional sports after Pete Rose bet on baseball, steroids were found on the biggest home run hitters, etc. (not)
No, actually it was after the strike and after Roberto Alomar spit on that umpire, and it was only baseball... |
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The definition of a union:
You do not have to be any smarter than the dumbest person.
You do not have to work any harder than the laziest person.
A union does not reward for how well you perform, only how long you have been trying to perform. |
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said by raythompsontn:
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Disconnecting phone lines is something that typically happens when strikes are threatened, according to Lt. Mark Deal, head of Waterbury's detective bureau Deal.
Seems like it is a common practice for the unions; criminal activity to support your cause. So much for the professionalism of the unions.
Well, the first round of the unionized workers was brought about through criminal sabotage similar to this, not to mention the other violence, so I guess it would be more accurate to say they have just come full circle. (see, formation of the teamsters, Jimmy Hoffa, etc)
Note I was really only commenting on your comment there. I think by and large the concept of workers banding together to make sure they aren't mistreated is good. The concept. But unfortunately in practice things are a little different. You end up with unions so powerful they can make ridiculous demands on the corporation and employees are granted such protection from termination that it would be easier to solve cold fusion than to fire one for incompetence.
But I still like the idea of the unions.
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 Chief Sparky52 Still On PatrolPremium
join:2001-04-25
Thibodaux, LA | reply to raythompsontn
said by raythompsontn:
The definition of a union:
You do not have to be any smarter than the dumbest person.
You do not have to work any harder than the laziest person.
A union does not reward for how well you perform, only how long you have been trying to perform.
Obviously spoken by a non-union member.
Allow me to set you straight. The function of the union (in my case, the IBEW) is to negotiate a fair contract for the workers, and to assist in mediation with employees and management. Within the contract, job performance is regulated SOLELY by the company. Pay levels and bonuses are regulated SOLELY by the company, again within contract guidelines. Management sets the performance standards, not the union. Management sets the job scheduling. Management decides on hiring and firing practices, in accordance with the law and the contract. The only time that tenure comes into play is when a company is performing layoffs and for markups (shift scheduling). Beyond that, the management of a company has full and total control of their employees. After all, they are THEIR employees, not the union's.
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I grow weary of hearing people spout off about unions. Sure, take us back to the 1920's. Sounds fine, for you I guess. Fact is, they created a lot of good in our country.
Yes, they did. But that was back in the days of few labor laws, OSHA, and a non-mobile society.
Today there are laws to protect workers rights. There is OSHA to protect workers safety. And there is mobility to move to another state if the company treats the workers badly.
My father was in a union when I was much younger. I remember almost loosing our house, we lost our car, and extra food was rare, even living on potatoes, rice and beans. The strike lasted a long time. For what. He got an extra $0.25 an hour. With what we lost it would take 74 years to recoup the lost.
But the "union" won. Yeh right. The union leaders kept their jobs. |
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HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | reply to Chief Sparky
The job market determines what a "fair contract" is in every industry/business that's non-union-represented. Almost every state in the union has "at will" employment rules/laws. They shouldn't need additional contract terms to dictate this for them. |
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LOL. That's about sums it up.
Warren |
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Chief Sparky52 Still On PatrolPremium
join:2001-04-25
Thibodaux, LA | reply to Hall
said by Hall:
The job market determines what a "fair contract" is in every industry/business that's non-union-represented. Almost every state in the union has "at will" employment rules/laws. They shouldn't need additional contract terms to dictate this for them.
Got to love that "at will" stuff. You do understand the term "at will"? It means that if your manager comes in one day, decides that he/she doesn't like your particular hair style, you can be terminated - immediately.
IRT the "protections" of OSHA & the like, let's go over this scenario: Your nice, spiffy hourly job has just been changed to a salaried position. This now makes you what is considered an "exempt" employee - exempt from the overtime laws. You now have to work 50+ hours per week to get the same pay, any overtime you do is now only compensated with "comp time" on a 1 to 1 basis, and you can now be terminated at any time for any, or even no, reason.
Yup, sounds like protection to me.
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 72276539Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA | reply to Chief Sparky
said by Chief Sparky:
said by raythompsontn:
The definition of a union:
You do not have to be any smarter than the dumbest person.
You do not have to work any harder than the laziest person.
A union does not reward for how well you perform, only how long you have been trying to perform.
Obviously spoken by a non-union member.
Allow me to set you straight. The function of the union (in my case, the IBEW) is to negotiate a fair contract for the workers, and to assist in mediation with employees and management. Within the contract, job performance is regulated SOLELY by the company. Pay levels and bonuses are regulated SOLELY by the company, again within contract guidelines. Management sets the performance standards, not the union. Management sets the job scheduling. Management decides on hiring and firing practices, in accordance with the law and the contract. The only time that tenure comes into play is when a company is performing layoffs and for markups (shift scheduling). Beyond that, the management of a company has full and total control of their employees. After all, they are THEIR employees, not the union's.
*cough cough bullshit cough cough*
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AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
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said by Chief Sparky:
Got to love that "at will" stuff. You do understand the term "at will"? It means that if your manager comes in one day, decides that he/she doesn't like your particular hair style, you can be terminated - immediately.
That is correct.
But why would a manager want to fire a good employee?
The people who want to make money hang onto the people that help them do that. If they use some other criteria their business will fail.
And of course the opposite is true. If an employee is worthless, kicking them to the curb is the only reasonable thing to do.
We are talking about businesses, and not government programs right? (Just checking.  )
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AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
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said by Chief Sparky:
IRT the "protections" of OSHA & the like, let's go over this scenario: Your nice, spiffy hourly job has just been changed to a salaried position. This now makes you what is considered an "exempt" employee - exempt from the overtime laws. You now have to work 50+ hours per week to get the same pay, any overtime you do is now only compensated with "comp time" on a 1 to 1 basis, and you can now be terminated at any time for any, or even no, reason.
I have a friend that had a boss decide to reduce his costs in a similar fashion. Suddenly lots of people became salaried, and required to work 50+ hours a week. (no comp time)
So these things happen.
His boss got taken to court and had to pay everyone back wages for labor law violations.
So those things happen too.
(This was in Colorado, one of the states that does not require "cause" to fire people.)
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 jsinaikoPremium
join:2001-04-25
Chicago, IL
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*cough cough bullshit cough cough*
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Anubis -
Your response, using the BS word is inappropriate, unfair and is against the rules of this forum. As a former union member (I'm self-employed now)I find your comments offensive and totally out of line. |
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