Re: Goodbye

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Hall Premium,MVM join:2000-04-28 Dayton, OH kudos:1	reply to rpeAMP Re: Goodbye said by rpeAMP: ...and fire him if it hasn't been done already. They can't fire him.... They'd try, the employee (with 100% support from his union) would take the firing to arbitration, and he'd eventually get his job back. In some cases, he'd even get back-pay because obviously he shouldn't have been fired in the first place !!.
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rpeAMP join:2000-12-02 San Antonio, TX	Sure they can...as long as the reasoning has nothing to do with the union stuff that's going on. They could by basis of insubordination, not following procedure, etc.
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wentlanc You Can't Fix Dumb.. join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH	reply to Hall Explain again how he shouldn't be fired? What is the reasoning that you would use to defend what this person did, and why he should keep his job? puritan
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Frohike Premium join:2000-07-23 Waxahachie, TX kudos:4 1 edit	reply to Hall said by Hall: said by rpeAMP: ...and fire him if it hasn't been done already. They can't fire him.... They'd try, the employee (with 100% support from his union) would take the firing to arbitration, and he'd eventually get his job back. In some cases, he'd even get back-pay because obviously he shouldn't have been fired in the first place !!. The union will try and save his job. Thats what we pay the union for, to fight for your job, wrong or right. But in the end, there is no defense for this and will most likely get terminated. Personally I don't agree with that behavior, just puts the union and the company in negative light.
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Hall Premium,MVM join:2000-04-28 Dayton, OH kudos:1	said by Frohike: The union hired PIs to follow the worker. So the union was responsible for getting him caught. And yes the union will try and save his job. Okay, explain the logic in that to me, please. They did something that helps catch him doing something wrong, then defends home for doing this act.
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Frohike Premium join:2000-07-23 Waxahachie, TX kudos:4	I misread the story. The Union actually hired PIs to follow managers. But even if the union caught this individual, they would still defend him. They wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but they would try.
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shadow520 join:2002-04-03 Warren, MI	reply to Hall said by Hall: said by Frohike: The union hired PIs to follow the worker. So the union was responsible for getting him caught. And yes the union will try and save his job. Okay, explain the logic in that to me, please. They did something that helps catch him doing something wrong, then defends home for doing this act. Who said it was logical? Unions ARE NOT logical. The first poster had it right. They can't fire him - else face the rath of the union. Unions need to stop this crap. They need to tell their members "you do something stupid/illegal/etc and get fired, too bad". Discrimination, unfair hiring/firing/working practices, etc is one thing, but sleeping on the job, destruction of company property, theft, and things like this need to be dealt with and the union needs to back the company - not the idiotic worker. -- Common sense is not all that common.
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moonpuppy join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD	reply to Hall said by Hall: said by rpeAMP: ...and fire him if it hasn't been done already. They can't fire him.... They'd try, the employee (with 100% support from his union) would take the firing to arbitration, and he'd eventually get his job back. In some cases, he'd even get back-pay because obviously he shouldn't have been fired in the first place !!. Even if the union were to support him, he can still be fired because he (might be) convicted of a criminal act while on duty. If the union even tried to support him, they could be locked out and public opinion would side with SBC since no one wants convicted criminals working on their phone lines.
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Hall Premium,MVM join:2000-04-28 Dayton, OH kudos:1	Unions don't care what the company thinks. They don't care what the public thinks.
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ZippyJRR @uiuc.edu	reply to Frohike Let's just remember that a union member is entitled to representation at his hearing/investigation, and the union is obligated to provide such representation by virtue of the employee's membership. Them doing so does not imply that they defend his action, but simply ensures that proper procedure is observed. This is analogous to the Constitutional rights of the accused in court; whether we are innocent or guilty, we have the right to a fair trial. And yes, I think any employee sabotaging company equipment and customer lines ought to forfeit his job.
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haplo2112 join:2003-05-12 Charlton, MA	reply to Frohike Unions are evil anyway, anyone who is a memeber of the union should be fired for what this guy did no behalf of the Union. They were needed to get better conditions for workers in the early part of the 1900's since the late 60's there has been no reason for Unions they just cause trouble now.
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jsouth Jsouth join:2000-12-12 Wichita, KS	reply to Hall Wrong! They can and should fire him and the union can't do jack about it. What he did was illegal. He could see jail time.
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Barney Bad Ass @nrockv01.md.comcast.	Leme see if I've got this straight... first the person gets arrested ( likely they missed a day of work without a valid reason ). Next, if the person gets incarscerated for any period of time, the employer could easily not allow his time off.. so if the persong can't do the job, because they aren't there.... the company can't terminate them.... I doubt there's a union that could find a way to support that argument... I'm sure he'd hear Donald Trumps words... "Your Fired" echoing around in thier empty head for a bit... Gime a break
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jsouth Jsouth join:2000-12-12 Wichita, KS	Did you even read the story? He was arrested for a criminal act. SBC can terminate him on the spot.
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Greg_Z Premium join:2001-08-08 Springfield, IL	reply to Hall Sorry to say this, but interrupting telephone service in this way can fall under "Acts of Terrorism", and it now becomes a federal case because this person intended to cause due harm by not allowing emergency services to be contacted. Union cannot do anything about it, due to it is a company matter. Unions are there to protect workers from compaines trying to overwork workers, and also they can cause more problems than it is worth (CWA is one of them). Face it, the more people spout about a subject, the more political the thread becomes and then the nonsense comes about. -- One man's customer loyalty is another man's miguided arrogance.
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TheMadSwede Premium join:2001-01-30 Holland, MI	reply to haplo2112 said by haplo2112: Unions are evil anyway, anyone who is a memeber of the union should be fired for what this guy did no behalf of the Union. They were needed to get better conditions for workers in the early part of the 1900's since the late 60's there has been no reason for Unions they just cause trouble now. Yeah - teachers are already WAY overpaid. Let's break up their unions, too! (sarcasm, obviously) The problem of corruption in the union is not inherent in having a union, just as the problem of corruption in companies is not inherent in having a company. The problem is certain individuals possessing too much power within those entities. Unions are still necessary. Corrupt jag-offs from either side are the problem. -- A good idea expressed in a poor manner is a bad idea.
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Beeper Part Of The Problem join:2001-09-27 Dayton, OH	said by TheMadSwede: Yeah - teachers are already WAY overpaid. Let's break up their unions, too! (sarcasm, obviously) This is the most constructive education proposal I've run across. said by TheMadSwede: The problem of corruption in the union is not inherent in having a union, just as the problem of corruption in companies is not inherent in having a company. The problem is certain individuals possessing too much power within those entities. Genius. -- Guaranteed Fear and Loathing. Abandon all hope. Prepare for the Weirdness. Get familiar with Cannibalism.
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Sweet Witch Be the flame, not the moth. Premium,MVM join:2003-07-15 Gallifrey	reply to ZippyJRR But can't SBC get him for trespassing, damaging private property or something like that that's outside the union but would still be a legal action? -- I'm a woman by the way .
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KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Reviews: ·AT&T DSL Service	reply to Hall said by Hall: They can't fire him.... They'd try, the employee (with 100% support from his union) would take the firing to arbitration, and he'd eventually get his job back. In some cases, he'd even get back-pay because obviously he shouldn't have been fired in the first place !!. Nonsense.... this guy is not only fired, he's probably going to jail. I suspect you're just trying to invent a reason to bash Unions. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)
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cmcgilton join:2001-03-14 Stow, OH	reply to Sweet Witch The crime he is accused of committing is a felony. If convicted, he would no longer be eligible to work for SBC.
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