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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1

reply to Frohike

Re: Goodbye

said by Frohike:
The union hired PIs to follow the worker. So the union was responsible for getting him caught. And yes the union will try and save his job.
Okay, explain the logic in that to me, please. They did something that helps catch him doing something wrong, then defends home for doing this act.

Frohike
Premium
join:2000-07-23
Waxahachie, TX
kudos:4

I misread the story. The Union actually hired PIs to follow managers. But even if the union caught this individual, they would still defend him. They wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but they would try.


shadow520

join:2002-04-03
Warren, MI

reply to Hall

said by Hall:
said by Frohike:
The union hired PIs to follow the worker. So the union was responsible for getting him caught. And yes the union will try and save his job.
Okay, explain the logic in that to me, please. They did something that helps catch him doing something wrong, then defends home for doing this act.

Who said it was logical? Unions ARE NOT logical. The first poster had it right. They can't fire him - else face the rath of the union.

Unions need to stop this crap. They need to tell their members "you do something stupid/illegal/etc and get fired, too bad". Discrimination, unfair hiring/firing/working practices, etc is one thing, but sleeping on the job, destruction of company property, theft, and things like this need to be dealt with and the union needs to back the company - not the idiotic worker.
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Common sense is not all that common.


ZippyJRR

@uiuc.edu

reply to Frohike
Let's just remember that a union member is entitled to representation at his hearing/investigation, and the union is obligated to provide such representation by virtue of the employee's membership. Them doing so does not imply that they defend his action, but simply ensures that proper procedure is observed.

This is analogous to the Constitutional rights of the accused in court; whether we are innocent or guilty, we have the right to a fair trial.

And yes, I think any employee sabotaging company equipment and customer lines ought to forfeit his job.



Sweet Witch
Be the flame, not the moth.
Premium,MVM
join:2003-07-15
Gallifrey

But can't SBC get him for trespassing, damaging private property or something like that that's outside the union but would still be a legal action?
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I'm a woman by the way .



cmcgilton

join:2001-03-14
Stow, OH

The crime he is accused of committing is a felony. If convicted, he would no longer be eligible to work for SBC.



MrFixitCT
pay it forward
Premium,VIP,ExMod 2001-06
join:2000-12-01
Charleston, SC

doesn't matter, he admitted his action, he's been terminated from the employment roles and CWA has decided to let it stand, rather smart of them too...
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of all the things I've lost in life I miss my mind the most..



BadHat
Hook'M Horns
Premium
join:2003-10-14
Rosa's Place
kudos:1

reply to cmcgilton
Exactly.... Communications disruption is a federal offense in many cases. He will be fired.


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