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Re: ?!?!?! said by AmeritecTech:
Don't want competition? That's a fairly deceptive way of putting it. Perhaps they don't want TAX DOLLARS spent on something that they don't intend to utilize. Geesh.
I would expect to see a comment like this from some one like yourself. Read a bit more about how such operations work.
It is funded by the people who use the system.
It's a real shame in an interest to keep pockets lined how companies will try and spin fake information to lemmings. It makes me sick to see what these corporations do to keep money coming into their pockets.
I wish Comcast , Cox and the like would stop pushing porn and taxes on people to sway their opinions. I don't know a person alive who doesn't like sex. The porn industry is huge and these lemmings are to ashamed about their sex lives.
Stupid people deserve what they get. I hope Coz ups their bills %50 if this fails. Maybe then some of the stupid people in this country will see that these companies would lie to their own mother to keep that $25 more a month in their pockets.
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 AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
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Houston, TX
kudos:6 | said by BosstonesOwn:
said by AmeritecTech:
Don't want competition? That's a fairly deceptive way of putting it. Perhaps they don't want TAX DOLLARS spent on something that they don't intend to utilize. Geesh.
I would expect to see a comment like this from some one like yourself.
And that means what?
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Read a bit more about how such operations work.
It is funded by the people who use the system.
Who pays if it fails to achieve profitability? |
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1 edit | said by AmeritecTech:
said by BosstonesOwn:
said by AmeritecTech:
Don't want competition? That's a fairly deceptive way of putting it. Perhaps they don't want TAX DOLLARS spent on something that they don't intend to utilize. Geesh.
I would expect to see a comment like this from some one like yourself.
And that means what?
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Read a bit more about how such operations work.
It is funded by the people who use the system.
Who pays if it fails to achieve profitability?
Read more. The system is put in place even if it takes 400 years to become profitable the people who use the system pay for it. Can you read ?
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Edited in: Whats that mean? Means it is quite obvious you have a interest in incumbents not getting competition. You work for one.
Look at it from our point of view when we pay $60 for a cable or dsl pipe that works 50 % of the time to its fullest.
Competition is good for us bad for your company. Let's face it if they laid off the useless workers they had and cut the pay to ceo's who don't need $20 mill a year the company would offer lower rates. |
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AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
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Houston, TX
kudos:6 | said by BosstonesOwn:
said by AmeritecTech:
said by BosstonesOwn:
said by AmeritecTech:
Don't want competition? That's a fairly deceptive way of putting it. Perhaps they don't want TAX DOLLARS spent on something that they don't intend to utilize. Geesh.
I would expect to see a comment like this from some one like yourself.
And that means what?
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Read a bit more about how such operations work.
It is funded by the people who use the system.
Who pays if it fails to achieve profitability?
Read more. The system is put in place even if it takes 400 years to become profitable the people who use the system pay for it. Can you read ?
I'd love to know where you expect to find an investor willing to invest in something which has lost money for 400 years straight. |
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| Read. BONDS ARE ISSUED just like back in the days of war when bonds were issued to support the war. People held onto em till they could be paid back. Same happens here. Except the money coming in from subscribers is used to buy back the bonds and pay the bills.
People who use the system buy the bonds and buy the use of said system. SO THEY PAY FOR IT. Not the lemmings.
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 mocyclerPremium
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Naperville, IL
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said by BosstonesOwn:
I would expect to see a comment like this from some one like yourself. Read a bit more about how such operations work.
It is funded by the people who use the system.
...then you'd probably also expect so see someone like myself stick up for AmeritecTech.
"It is funded by people who use the system." Yeah. Right. Anytime you get the government involved with something like this, somehow, somewhere, either tax dollars get stirred into the mix or the money paid by subscribers to support the system gets redirected elsewhere.
The Tri-Cities here in Illinois is a classic example...they've already pissed away about $130,000 (and counting) taxpayer dollars that will not be paid back even if the idea does take off and turn a profit.
But the Tri-Cities supporters don't care because, hell, it's easy to be smug when someone else is picking up the check.
If people who want to use the network are willing to pay for it as you claim, then they could just as easily form a private corporation, line up in investors, and have at it. After all, this idea is a real winner, right? You'll be up to your eyeballs in money. What do you need the government for?
To be fair though, I think the "survey" is a sham. Consider the source. I'll hold the cablecos & ILECS to the same standard: If their service is so great, why are people even considering other options? Maybe if they would upgrade their networks and provide a good value for the dollar, Joe Average would be less inclined to look at socialist broadband.
Peace,
mocycler
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| There is one of the inherent issues with starting it. The initial studies should be paid for by tax payers since all profit will be cycled back into the local government for diversion into other areas.
Books for your kids in school, giving them newer systems to research for papers, and who knows maybe even give them a hobby that could lead to some education and the ability to do something no other person in the world can do.
Some of the most brilliant minds in the world may never be seen because they are stuck on a farm pitching hay because that's what they do for work and it was good enough for good ole grand dad.
Changes happen and if the US doesn't go with the changes we will be left in the dust.
By the way the money "pissed" away if it was to become reality and cycled back into your economy how would you like lower tax rates on your home because of the success of the project. Or lower taxes on your car. Looking at the down side of everything all the time would make me depressed. Think about the future and what things could come from a solid project.
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Naperville, IL Reviews:
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| said by BosstonesOwn:
There is one of the inherent issues with starting it. The initial studies should be paid for by tax payers
So...it isn't exactly an accurate statement to say no tax dollars are involved, is it? It would be more accurate to say a lot of tax dollars will be spent before the project even gets off the ground.
If I (or anyone) wants to open a business, should the taxpayers eat all the start up costs on the basis it will be "cycled back into the economy" later?
There are many examples of municipalities offering incentives to attract a business to town. This is entirely different than a municipality actually owning and operating the company.
I respect what you're saying, but I don't buy it. The person who starts the venture should assume the risk...and reap the reward. It's called capitalism. That business owner can hire the kid pitching hay and give him the opportunity you speak of. Businesses also build buildings, purchase tools and equipment...and so on and so on. None of the high and mighty stuff you're preaching needs government intervention to happen.
Peace,
mocycler
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| If the profit are going back into your city why shouldn't they eat the cost. if the money was going into a pocket it should not be.
The government does studies all the time at our expense for somethings even stupider. And we don't complain.
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Houston, TX
kudos:6 | said by BosstonesOwn:
If the profit are going back into your city why shouldn't they eat the cost. if the money was going into a pocket it should not be.
The government does studies all the time at our expense for somethings even stupider. And we don't complain.
Speak for yourself. I constantly complain about government waste and use of public funds on worthless programs. |
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Mo:
First off....good to see you.
Secondly.....Come on.
As a TriCity supporter, my tax dollars are going to research an issue that I've asked for and directly benefits me.
You and I both know you benefit from Naperville owning and operating their own electric utility. The very "socialism" you despise is saving you cash every month to what you'd be paying ComEd otherwise. Naperville also can use this economic incentive to attract businesses with larger electric consumption at lower rates. I know this because the TriCities compete for many of the same electric consumers as Naperville does.
Would you rather the cities just handed out the cash or actually tried to change the environment for all involved? Me, I'll take the latter.
Call it what you will, but all of these cities are trying to change the playing field to encourage growth. Not their own growth (city specific), but the growth of the business and educational communities that reside within these cities.
As I've (and I think you've) said, no city would even
go down this path if the private sector was doing their part.
One of these days we'll have to have a beer together.
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mocyclerPremium
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Naperville, IL Reviews:
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| Yes...it is good to see you.
One on the things I like about the Municipal Report is that the debate is always civilized. I can't recall a single thread ever being locked or even moderated.
Yeah, I know about Naperville's municipal electric and my friends marvel over how low my bills are. And the service is excellent. So I will admit having misgivings in that it conflicts, at least at face value, with my personal beliefs.
However, where I digress is that most people in Tri-Cities who want broadband can get it...your gripe is not so much you don't have it, but rather, it cost too much. And you cannot use the market penetration bit regarding TV and phone. Having a high phone/cable bill is not a valid reason to start a government-run phone/cableco.
Furthermore, electricity and broadband are not an apples-to-apples comparison. If no one in Batavia had electricity because ComEd won't play nice (as was the case when Naperville Electric was founded), I would be much more sympathetic. The day will likely come when BB is on the same level of importance as electric, but until that day comes, I'm not buying that argument even a little.
The Naperville Electric Co. is over 100 years old and comes from a time when things were much different. Maybe if I lived back then I would have supported it.
As for that beer, sure, why not.
Peace,
mocycler
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batageekSlave To The DuopolyPremium
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1 edit | Mo:
The only problem with this line of thought is that:
"Yes, we now have some competition."
"No, it wouldn't even be here except for the fact that we went to referendum last year."
If the citizenry is willing to back a municipally owned ftth system, and is willing to walk the streets to get signatures to put the issue back on the ballot, independent of what the city wants, then what the heck is wrong with that?
Is not lousy customer service a good enough reason to try to bring the service to local control?
Why should a community rely on the private sector to decide what is best for them and in what time frame those services will arrive?
Does Comcast or SBC truly serve the best interests of the TriCities and Naperville?
Mo, I wouldn't touch this if Gov. Blago was trying push a state bb plan...again, on a local level, I can always vote the bums out.
Even if the utility failed, I'd still have fiber to my home and even these idiots at Cox could lease or buy the system and compete directly.
Either way, I still come out ahead.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to AmeritecTech
said by AmeritecTech:
I'd love to know where you expect to find an investor willing to invest in something which has lost money for 400 years straight.
Government has lost money for at least 400 years straight, but people still continue to invest in it... oh wait a minute never mind. 
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