Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few in Avatar/Graphics Help http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r10584996 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:21:48 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:21:48 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11323923 deletemeplz : hahaha i like the pimp slap one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11323923 Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:49:04 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11323898 deletemeplz : that ones awesome how did u make that]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11323898 Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:46:48 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11319586 Sparrow : Some old, some new, all lovingly enhanced. :)

Edit: Avatars available without stars, and/or with different backgrounds where applicable if anyone is interested. ;)
  
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11319586 Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:46:58 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11316789 bmorrisj : im learning how to animate stuff...kinda

i use these as sigs....
the first two are made from scratch... the others are just .mov to frames.... i know needs work, i should buy a book to make it easier on me...




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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11316789 Mon, 13 Sep 2004 02:14:51 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11315283 dandelion : may not be very plain, but liked the picture :)
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Our good friend dliw See Profile sent these in hopes they may provide aditional Avatars/Ideas for someone in need. I think their way cool! Thanks brother dliw See Profile :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11313782 Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:02:52 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10962837 Hawk : And very cool they are! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10962837 Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:00:44 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10958046 dandelion : couple of lonely -so far unused- avatars :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10945110 Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:51:22 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10945088 Macy :
Lonely avatars in need of a loving home....

I found a bunch of gifs online this morning and resized and optimized them for here. None are copyrighted but some could already be in use here although I have not seen them. There are some rather cool ones and some very simple ones, but thought I'd throw them in here too.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10945088 Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:49:45 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10936537 sargeeld : ....
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10936537 Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:57:19 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10936220 Macy : More! :D
  
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10936220 Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:12:13 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10935746 Macy : Oops! Hang on before you upload that one. It's 40x45, probably one I did before the size change. Didn't even notice until just now that it didn't look completely square.
Here are 2 40x40's.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10935746 Sun, 01 Aug 2004 18:03:24 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10935705 Macy : It's all yours now. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10935705 Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:56:57 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10935692 Logan 5 : Macy:

May I please use this one for awhile?

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10935692 Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:54:41 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10934345 sargeeld : I have been bored this weekend!! :D
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10934345 Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:28:19 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10925105 sargeeld :
said by marcelle19 See Profile:

I really like that first one, Sarge - how did you do it? Which program(s) did you use?


I would love to claim total credit for that one, but actually it is a modification of an existing graphic.:D I can tell you the ball was done using a mirror effect and I believe it was done in PS6. My mods were accomplished using PaintShop Pro 8 and Animation Shop 3.
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said by sargeeld See Profile:
Here are a couple more....


I really like that first one, Sarge - how did you do it? Which program(s) did you use?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10923796 Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:28:24 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10922066 Jon : LOL!
What did the five fingers say to the face? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10922066 Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:36:00 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10921752 sargeeld : Here are a couple more....
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10921752 Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:49:58 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10921430 mrchris : A few edits from some gifs found on 5chan.net. Usable for other forums.
 
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10921430 Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:08:20 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10911816 marcelle19 :
said by Hawk See Profile:
Thanks everyone! :D I'll keep ya posted.
Make sure you do, and she'll be held up in prayer, too (actually, already has been.) :)
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Get well soon Ack See Profile]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10902530 Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:12:42 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10902483 dandelion : Hope all OK and wish her the best Hawk!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10902483 Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:07:52 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10902224 INTENS1 :
said by Hawk See Profile:
Thank you! And she plans too once we get by all these dang surgeries. :huh:
Here's wishing your wife the best..
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I wish her the very best with the surgeries! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10901893 Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:03:59 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10901876 Hawk : Thank you! And she plans too once we get by all these dang surgeries. :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10901876 Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:02:05 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10901857 Macy : You may. I wondered if she was your wife.
You need to tell her to come visit us more often when she can. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10901857 Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:57:44 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10901630 Hawk : Macy, may I use this one for the wife's account Ack See Profile?
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10901630 Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:30:26 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10899362 Macy : Was going through my avatar collection and found these long forgotten ones.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10899362 Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:07:02 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10874250 Hawk :
said by OLDweirdal See Profile:
this is why we need the avatar wall :)

Or the Avatar Bank. Check in check out! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10874250 Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:48:14 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10872995 OLDweirdal : this is why we need the avatar wall :)
maybe stickie this topic for a long time and new users could come here to get avatars?

made by creedless
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10872995 Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:39:45 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10868691 marcelle19 : Nice response on this thread by a great many of you...appreciate your making avatars open to those who might wish them.

Here's another one - kind of a "sun" av, I guess; at least, that's what I was going for.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10868691 Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:26:40 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10831193 sargeeld : Here are a few........
  
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10831193 Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:24:36 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10830470 WGF_Crafty : Diablo avatar.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10830470 Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:07:39 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10827772 marcelle19 : Here's a Linkin Park avatar. You can't tell what the smiley is saying at this size, really, but it is from that song that started them out: "Shut UP! When I'm talking to you! Shuut Uuuup!! Shuuuttt Uuuuuuppp!!!! Cause I'm about to break!!!"

Maybe I'll try to get more on it later. For right nw, this is it.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10827772 Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:22:40 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10728047 INTENS1 : :D
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10728047 Fri, 09 Jul 2004 07:29:21 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10726718 marcelle19 :
said by dandelion See Profile:
said by jackn4 See Profile:
Heere's Johnny!!!


resized for bbr:
Looks more like he has blond hair when resized that small. :p
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10712456 Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:31:52 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10711851 dandelion :
said by jackn4 See Profile:
Heere's Johnny!!!


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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10710737 Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:12:53 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10692401 marcelle19 :
said by dandelion See Profile:
this is without zoom-in, not as believable (zoom in one frame)
I was thinking more like the one that was the closest, dandelion.
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said by Hawk See Profile:
Good by old friends! You've served your purpose well for me. :hmm:
:o :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10692263 Mon, 05 Jul 2004 09:11:40 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10691613 dandelion :
said by marcelle19 See Profile:

Could you do one of the dragon without the zoom-in, dandelion? The close up, not the far shot. I'd like to see what that looks like.


this is without zoom-in, not as believable (zoom in one frame)
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said by dandelion See Profile:
forgot I had this one (not ever used):
I forgot about this thread! And I started it! :o

Could you do one of the dragon without the zoom-in, dandelion? The close up, not the far shot. I'd like to see what that looks like.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10691580 Mon, 05 Jul 2004 03:51:25 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10690040 WGF_Crafty : Another, for car people.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10690040 Sun, 04 Jul 2004 22:07:18 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10687641 lets : thanks for the work, and it' so good too.
Did you see the post I put in today 7-4 but I've done something for you too
D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10687641 Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:39:19 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10687347 Macy : Here are some I threw together.
  
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10687347 Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:39:04 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10617137 marcelle19 :
said by JLElson See Profile:
That was pretty cool!
Yes, CyberRage is really good with his graphic tools, like Photoshop and some other Adobe applications - he might have more now, since I've been gone so long.
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Some people think they gain through dishonest means, never realizing that in lying, cheating, and other dishonesty, they are losing pieces of themselves, which they can never recover.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10616683 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:25:05 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10616390 dandelion : Sorry-thought it was a good animation of a cell in bloodstream!:)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10616390 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:43:10 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10613889 marcelle19 :
said by dandelion See Profile:
looks like it came out of a medical magazing-looks like a white blood cell.

Here's a couple more[attachment=1] [attachment=2][attachment=3]


A white blood cell!? Aw, that hurt, that really hurt! ;)
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Some people think they gain through dishonest means, never realizing that in lying, cheating, and other dishonesty, they are losing pieces of themselves, which they can never recover.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10613889 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:22:17 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10613627 dandelion :
said by marcelle19 See Profile:
Here's another one - supposed to be a space ship going through space, but when I reduced it, it's hard to tell what it is.


looks like it came out of a medical magazing-looks like a white blood cell.

Here's a couple more

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10613627 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:09:13 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10613178 marcelle19 : Here's another one - supposed to be a space ship going through space, but when I reduced it, it's hard to tell what it is. I ripped the drawing of the ship from an incredibly talented artist somewhere on the Internet, and changed it around a bit. It was a black and white.

Too bad it can't be seen now - looked pretty cool before I reduced it. :(
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10613178 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:29:20 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10592910 marcelle19 : Here's another - came up with it while fooling around with tephie's request.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10592910 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:17:39 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10591787 sargeeld :
said by Ol Drippy See Profile:
said by sargeeld See Profile:
Everything I have is available at »wizlair.com/graphics :D
Nice site. :)


Thanx!! I put a little effort into it. :)
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said by sargeeld See Profile:
Everything I have is available at »wizlair.com/graphics :D
Nice site. :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10590941 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:34:29 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10585046 WGF_Crafty : For all the Gmail Fanatics.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10585046 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:17:49 EDT Re: Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10585034 WGF_Crafty : Heres a try.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10585034 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:12:06 EDT Avatars Up For Grabs - Join In, Make a Few http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10584996 marcelle19 : Here are a couple of avatars I just made (trying to get into practice again).

How's about some of the other artists and shape benders in this forum putting some on this thread? Maybe some site members will see it and find what they want, but in any case, we'll have fun making them.
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