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 marcelle19crossPremium,MVM
join:2002-03-02
Phelan, CA
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Re: veloz scumware seen on comercial just now
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IGGYNo Guru Just Here To HelpPremium,MVM
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Chatham, IL
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Is there even an actual download page? Every time I explore there page and hit a download or scan now icon etc. I get an Active X install blocked. Using XP SP2. So it seems they don't even use an exe to install there product. Either way I watched the previous thread that claimed a trojan could be found in there product. But last time I looked at that thread. I don't think a true conclusion could be draw. I can say if it is proved. This company can forget about ever being a true security software provider. And that would prove there intent is not to provide a product to secure customers machines.
»Re: StopSign - WARNING! - Eanthology
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 novaflareThe Dragon Was HerePremium
join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH | reply to NeOm
Re: veloz, stop sign scumware comercials said by NeOm:
Hi,
I am an employee. This in no way constitutes a legal statement, nor am I representing it as 100% factual, I am merely stating my observations and the facts as far as I know them.
I would like to add some comments, if I may.
1) If you know how to use Windows' add/remove programs, you can remove our software.
2)Why take the word of our competitors, (many of whom break our uninstall), that we are malware. Programs like ad-aware (which is a great free program) and spysweeper, spybot will destroy files essential to the removal, making it difficult to remove. EVEN THEN, customers, and non-customers, can call any one of our 1-800 numbers, and we will guide them to a link to completely clean whatever files still remain. There are major AV companies that DO NOT offer such a courtesy.
3) Have you ever tried the free scan? If you have, you will note you are prompted for every compnent you are installing. Nothing is "snuck" onto your computer. You can always, always choose not to download.
4) Our target is not people who know alot about computers, therefore our system must be simple. Ever try to download I-tunes? They load you up with all sorts of programs, for the sake of simplicity.
5) Our target is not for people who know alot about computers. This is why we offer free, unlimited 1800# phone support for our VIP plans, whilst our competitors will charge by the minute.
6) I have read so many libelous statement on so many websites, I do not know where to start. But I will tell you this, wqe do make money, we have a large customer base, and they LOVE us, because we take the time to help them, and treat them all with extreme care. Any rip-off artist AV company wants to get rich by printing the software, and collecting the money, as do most major AV companies. We are the only company, that if you have the VIP level with us, (which is priced very competitively), that will guide you through removing Cool Web Search.... Something even the major AV's will charge you to get rid of... even though their software cannot.
7) Lawsuits... how does getting sued in any way implicate a company as being evil, or nefarious? Notice how the company ... oops I mean Law Firm, suing us is also suing very reputable companies. Please look around and understand, lawsuits are a normal part of being a profitable company. Lawyers are represented as sharks for a reason.... they tear out chunks from any one who is in this giant ocean we call the American economy.
Cheers
yes so you have a vested intrest to defend yoru product.
1 or realy thats intresting i had eanthology on my computer from when i use to play vircoms t4c no add remove entry at all. Ive been buildign repairing and cleaning scum ware (like stop sing aka veloz aka eanthology) off computers sense 93.
2 your competitors products realy work thats simple enough i think
3 your advertisements pray on those who do not know what they are doing so that your advertisers pop ups and other various adds are seen by more to put more money in your own pockets. So they will click yes because they think your product is something it is not.
4 same as 3 you pray on those sorts of people because they dont know any better.
5 ive talked to your phone support they gave me the run around i finaly laughed and hung up as their instructions were all but bs.
6 your customer base has been scammed in to thinking your product protects them when in fact it doesnt. Ive cleaned up the viral messes it misses like happy 99 harmless ill agree but cih and opas isnt both were missed by stop sign. Uninformed customers will always sware by a product untill they find out its no good.
7 when a company has class action law suits filed against them theres a reason for it. Generaly its over things such as not delivering on promises refuseing to give a refund over chargeing credit cards for bills and other various isues includeing but not limited to false advertiseign veloz aka eanthology aka stop sign fits some of the above easly maybe all of them.
This was not ment as a flame and i respect the fact that you as a employe took the time to post but feel that you are totaly off base and do not know who it is who you work for.
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said by NeOm:
Hi,
I am an employee.
Thanks for posting.
I hope - for your sake - that defending and trying to wash clean your employers image is not part of your job. You'll get crucified on any security forum. Believe me.
You may want to tell your boss - like casually, y'know, like you are not meaning anything - to drop by this forum and take a look at this thread and especially at the links provided by IGGY  . That's the general feeling amongst security aware people about your employer's product.
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said by NeOm:
6) I have read so many libelous statement...
How's this for libelous?
said by NeOm:
4) Our target is not people who know alot about computers...
You bet it ain't. Anybody with the most basic sense of computer security would stay miles away from your software. That's why your only potential victims are "not people who know alot about computers".
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novaflareThe Dragon Was HerePremium
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Barberton, OH | heres what pest pqtrol list notice the long numerical name. Typical of spyware to use long names that are hard to search for on your hd
»www.pestpatrol.com/pestinfo/t/tr···en_a.asp
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marcelle19crossPremium,MVM
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Re: veloz scumware seen on comercial just now A few of the little nasties slipped by the resident scanner, but apparently while there are "in your face" types of .exe files attempting to download, there are also some stealth "behind the scenes" downloads that can get by resident scanners.
A full scan with avast! found 4 instances of the nasty little bugger, and I put them in the chest, but decided to delete them. If I have any more incidences, I'll post here, with more specifics (I'll keep the log files and the actual infections to post). I don't expect anymore, however - pretty sure I'm clean at this point. Ran ewido and a2, and have spywareguard and spywareblaster running, too, along with the resident scanner of avast!, and I also ran ad aware. None of these caught any of the nasties, but then again, I ran them after avast! cleaned up my system. Unfortunately, I deleted these infections right away, when I should have had the information logged to be able to post it here - sorry about that. 
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 jkonradKonmanPremium
join:2001-10-04
Mount Airy, MD | reply to extend
Re: veloz, stop sign scumware comercials Extend:
I asked before, and am still wondering - are you on cable or satellite? If it is cable are you sure these are not local ads from your cable company? I have not seen any on discovery or msnbc at this point (don't have G4). | |
 keith2468Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
4 edits | reply to NeOm
NeOm -
I'd also like to say good for you for having the courage to post. I have no idea if your company's product is safe or if it distributes malware, but I'd like to make these comments.
quote:
1) If you know how to use Windows' add/remove programs, you can remove our software.
I too have a lot of trouble with the labeling of software that only does an initial install with explicit user permission, and that has a standard uninstall, in the same catagory as viruses, trojans, spyware, or as ad-ware that installs without permission and that doesn't uninstall in any standard way.
I also have trouble with labeling competitor software that does automatic updates without explict permissions as malware, when other products, like Sun Java, Apple QuickTime, Macromedia Flash, RealPlayer, etc., do that too and are not labelled as malware. The practice implies that the labeled product is being labeled for some other reason -- that it is doing something more malicious or invasive
Possibly the complaint here is with the active-x control though -- although in a standard MSIE downloading and install unsigned active-x controls does give a prompt.
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2)Why take the word of our competitors, (many of whom break our uninstall), that we are malware. Programs like ad-aware (which is a great free program) and spysweeper, spybot will destroy files essential to the removal, making it difficult to remove. EVEN THEN, customers, and non-customers, can call any one of our 1-800 numbers, and we will guide them to a link to completely clean whatever files still remain. There are major AV companies that DO NOT offer such a courtesy.
I've heard of breaking uninstalls with other products too. I doubt this is intentional, but it does make the broken product look bad.
Some anti-malware products direct you to use the standard uninstall (AOL for example) provided by the suspect product vendor if you don't want the product. This is the thing to do.
Also vendors should be doing their own tests, or having their own tests conducted, not relying on Google searches and heresay.
Vendors should also not be relying on the results of clients with computers that are in an unknown state before the alleged infection.
I will say I sympathise with vendors trying to distribute anti-malware products for free, or donations, but if doing it free is going to mean libeling fellow professionals through repeating hearsay or taking annecdotal evidence as fact, don't do it.
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3) Have you ever tried the free scan? If you have, you will note you are prompted for every compnent you are installing. Nothing is "snuck" onto your computer. You can always, always choose not to download.
In light of what the others have posted, and what it says on this link, I'm afraid to.
»www.pestpatrol.com/PestInfo/S/StopSign.asp
So if those things are untrue, you have proof that your business has been hurt right there and in the topic. A lot of people are recommending against your product because of what PestPatrol has published.
And if you are a totally different company, that needs repeating.
quote:
4) Our target is not people who know alot about computers, therefore our system must be simple. Ever try to download I-tunes? They load you up with all sorts of programs, for the sake of simplicity.
5) Our target is not for people who know alot about computers. This is why we offer free, unlimited 1800# phone support for our VIP plans, whilst our competitors will charge by the minute.
A lot of people with a little experience in the industry, who know more about compters than their friends, go through a period of "elitism". It is not good, but it is also not uncommon.
Sooner or later they come to realize that our profession makes its money making products for people who don't want to do their own analysis, coding, testing, etc.
It is those people who don't understand computers and who don't want to understand computers who put our kids through college, and pay for our food, shelter, cars, healthcare, and annual vacations.
quote:
6) I have read so many libelous statement on so many websites, I do not know where to start. But I will tell you this, wqe do make money, we have a large customer base, and they LOVE us, because we take the time to help them, and treat them all with extreme care. Any rip-off artist AV company wants to get rich by printing the software, and collecting the money, as do most major AV companies. We are the only company, that if you have the VIP level with us, (which is priced very competitively), that will guide you through removing Cool Web Search.... Something even the major AV's will charge you to get rid of... even though their software cannot
Actually the folks who make BOClean will do that too, at no extra charge beyond the normal fee. They aren't that big a company, so I'm not surprised you don't know of them.
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7) Lawsuits... how does getting sued in any way implicate a company as being evil, or nefarious? Notice how the company ... oops I mean Law Firm, suing us is also suing very reputable companies. Please look around and understand, lawsuits are a normal part of being a profitable company. Lawyers are represented as sharks for a reason.... they tear out chunks from any one who is in this giant ocean we call the American economy.
There isn't a major computer company in the world that hasn't been sued: IBM, Sun, Microsoft, GE, Dell, HP.
And those companies have all lost law suits too.
Law suits are how companies and people settle disagreements in civilized countries,without resorting to thugs, libel and slander.
With anti-malware vendors, often the mere threat of a suit is enough to get these companies to repeat (or conduct) their own tests on the product to see if the alleged malware really does what they say it does.
When the tests fail, the product is quietly removed from the malware list and matters never proceed to court.
From what I've read, a product can be classed as spyware because it is downloaded from the same sites as adware, or because a distributer includes the product in a drive-by download (the distributer's wrong). That is not a good way to define spyware.
This public write up of your product would give you cause for legal action if they are libeling your employer: »www.pestpatrol.com/PestInfo/S/StopSign.asp
That said, I really dislike/hate those of my fellow professionals (or students or wannabes) who write and distribute real spyware, hidden unremoveable adware, trojans, worms and viruses; or who post in open forums the explicit instructions on how those things can be created.
I'd like to see those folks blacklisted from working in the profession (for say 5 years).
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said by NeOm:
I do not know where to start. But I will tell you this, wqe do make money...
I do know where to start.
Nigerian 419'ers, spammers, botnet suppliers and even bank robbers and drug dealers do also make money. Probably even more than your company does.
See, the fact that you can make money on something doesn't automatically make you kosher.
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Re: veloz, stop sign scumware comercials
Libelous statement? |
said by keith2468:
In light of what the others have posted, and what it says on this link, I'm afraid to.
»www.pestpatrol.com/PestInfo/S/StopSign.asp
So if those things are untrue, you have proof that your business has been hurt right there and in the topic. A lot of people are recommending against your product because of what PestPatrol has published.
Keith. It's obviously way more serious than just a PestPatrol writeup.
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 jimkyleBtrieve GuyPremium
join:2002-10-20
Oklahoma City, OK
kudos:2 | reply to jkonrad
Re: veloz scumware comercial I was seeing them on The History Channel most of the past week; I have DirecTV, not cable. Thus it must be a national campaign... | |
jkonradKonmanPremium
join:2001-10-04
Mount Airy, MD
1 edit | JimKyle:
That is most helpful. Thank you! I still have not seen one on History, however if History is placing them where there are local avails then some cable users will never see them, IE my cable companies (work and home) take all local avails. That means Satellite will see them, and any cable network who doesn't take the local avail. | |
novaflareThe Dragon Was HerePremium
join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH | reply to jkonrad
Re: veloz, stop sign scumware comercials said by jkonrad:
Extend:
I asked before, and am still wondering - are you on cable or satellite? If it is cable are you sure these are not local ads from your cable company? I have not seen any on discovery or msnbc at this point (don't have G4).
I thought i answered o well will answer ago im on cable. and have seen this on history chanel msnbc and fox news netwrok. Others in other areas have as well som im going to go out on a limb and asume national comercials. They are fairly infrequent. Generaly on between 10pm and 12am
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