htin11
join:2000-08-10
Flushing, NY Reviews:
 ·Verizon FiOS
| Verizon 'spam control' I think that what verizon did was good, it will prevent people from spamming my mail box so much with junk mail. I thanks them for their way to decrease load on their mail server and decrease load on the internet from spam.
as they say, one bad apples ruins the whole bunch...you shouldn't be mad at verizon, you should be mad at people who abused the mail servers.
It's like my road runner, i'm capped at 300 upstream due to people who ran servers and was sucking up everyone's bandwidth. that's why they cap everyone. Same thing here. |
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 ·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Yeah well.. That's a stupid way of doing it. They should just disable port 25 on incoming connections outside of their verizon.com, verizon.net, or bellatlantic.net domains, and then just log activity on their SMTP servers. If they find a subscriber spamming, kick 'em out.
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 sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| said by MosDef112:
Yeah well.. That's a stupid way of doing it. They should just disable port 25 on incoming connections outside of their verizon.com, verizon.net, or bellatlantic.net domains, and then just log activity on their SMTP servers. If they find a subscriber spamming, kick 'em out.
Sounds sensible, but you'll still have a group of people complaining that they can't send mail out through alternate smtp servers... You really can't win. SMTP-AUTH is nice, but presents some legacy problems on the ISP side (meaning, we won't be turning it on this month). You have to have every mailhost be able to auth every sub on sending. Sounds simple, but....
And of course people can still spam right through VZ servers with return addresses like "ivans@bellatlantic.com". And they are still free to do direct to MX spam.
Not an optimal solution, but VZ is known for working in a vacuum when they come up with "new" solutions. |
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·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL
| Yeah.. Well.. It is never a simple task when you have multiple mail servers, but essentially if the mail subsystems for the end users were setup to handle mail only from their three public domains, it shouldn't be as tedious as it may seem. I'm sure some subscribers will deem it a duty to overcome this limitation, but it surely would lessen the load on their servers from outsiders. My take on people complaining about not being able to use alternate SMTP servers.. "F*CK OFF.. GET ANOTHER PROVIDER!!" There is no difference, unless the SMTP-AUTH does valid maildrop lookup on top of password handshake, therefore limiting you to sending mail as whoever@bellatlantic.net.
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 RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | said by MosDef112:
There is no difference, unless the SMTP-AUTH does valid maildrop lookup on top of password handshake, therefore limiting you to sending mail as whoever@bellatlantic.net.
SMTP AUTH allows you access to the SMTP Server as if you were on that ISP's LAN (ie: Currently using Connectivity though that ISP). Anything you are allowed to do WHEN you are dial-ed into the ISP, you will be allowed to do if using some other ISP's connectivity but connecting to the SMTP Server with a SMTP AUTH logon. IOW, unless the SMTP Server requires you to use a ISP address in your From, it will not check the From just because you are using SMTP AUTH to connect from the Net (Nor should it - SMTP AUTH is a way of granting access to Customers when they would otherwise be denied access due to the IPN check). |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | reply to Network Guy
said by MosDef112:
Yeah.. Well.. It is never a simple task when you have multiple mail servers, but essentially if the mail subsystems for the end users were setup to handle mail only from their three public domains, it shouldn't be as tedious as it may seem. I'm sure some subscribers will deem it a duty to overcome this limitation, but it surely would lessen the load on their servers from outsiders.
Customers are NOT outsiders yet Verizon does NOT have SMTP AUTH turned on in their SMTP Servers. Thus they are saying "USE the SMTP Server provided by your ISP [ie: The one which is home for the From Domain of the message]" yet REFUSING TO ACCEPT this mail from their Customers under the same situation where they are telling their Customers to use another SMTP Server (ie: User is connected to NOT-Verizon but wants to send Verizon Email from the Verizon Server). |
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·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to RARPSL
Yeah.. Which would be the equivalent of simply granting access to send mail only if you authenticate to the SMTP server, except that you're not restricted to being able to connect only within their netblocks.
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·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to RARPSL
Exactly.. Meaning that within Verizon's netblocks, port 25 would only work within it's own SMTP servers, but not past their network for receiving mail. It's rather simple.. Simply setup two sets of mail servers, POP3 and SMTP. Have your network restrict all traffic to port 110 for the POP servers, and port 25 for the SMTP servers. Have your SMTP servers only accept connections with a valid userid and password. This should stop spamming considerably.
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