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alchav

join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA

PSTN.....is going to Die!

I don't know what kind of rock you guys live under, but the change has already happened. Voice and Data on the same Network, that's Convergence, and it's here folks. Big companies have been doing this for years now, but they didn't label it VoIP. This is a big revolution, and Telecommunication Companies are scrambling to get a foot hold. What will die are the Vonage type companies if they keep the same tunnel vision.

ALC


usa2k
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Re: PSTN......is going to Die!


It is like the days when people didn't understand why someone would want a PC at home. Or remember all the PC Magazine review of new Intel processors saying they would be used mainly in SERVERS?

Ride the wave! VoIP is just a crest among the Internet waves. Like the browser, chat, forums, ... it is one of the killer apps that is changing business, and culture. We are in the Internet Age. The previous age was most likely the Transportation Age. Maybe we will even make it to a Space Age

Those PSTN phones will be excellent interfaces to the technology for a while until the wireless phone systems turn into custom local PBXs.
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lmjh7065
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join:2001-04-04
Cincinnati, OH

reply to alchav

Re: PSTN.....is going to Die!

While I don't believe that the PSTN, VoIP or Cell Service is going to die, I believe that Convergence has indeed caused a shift. My local (POTS) telco claims they have been providing VoIP to business for years.

While I may wish that the PSTN may die, I don't think that I'm that lucky. I may just kill by POTS service - think I can live without it.


prestonlewis
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reply to alchav
PSTN is not an efficient communications delivery method which dooms it to death eventually. Thousands or millions of copper line lay dormant for much of the time so that during peak calling times, like mother's day, everyone can make their phone calls. Long distance copper is disappearing and being replaced by fiber optic cable. Eventually, fiber optic cable will come to your door in most major markets making the PSTN even more unnecessary to have. With fiber optic cable, a company can deliver telephone, cable TV, and services we don't even think about yet. Companies that provide fiber optic cable to your door will definitely NOT want to use a PSTN system to route data traffic on their networks.

Just like the TV delivery system that we have used since the 1920s (with color being added in the 1950s) is dying and will largely be gone by 2006 (when mandatory digital TV becomes law), copper transmission of voice communication is on it's last legs as is the PSTN.


Cable Dude1

join:2003-11-20
Stouffville, ON

PSTN will die a very slow death. Remember most people still have POTS and until they switch over to VOIP on their own or are forced to at some distant time, PSTN will remain. This type of technology will have a long transitionary period. My best guess is that PSTN will be with us for at least the next 15 years or so. Just my opinion.



dinok

join:2001-02-12
Jamestown, NC

reply to alchav
I don't think it will happen sometime soon.
Think about that, how many people still don't own pc?? How many of them don't know about internet, internet capabilities, etc...???
It's fact, that will change the way the people look at the telco's in future ( in next year or two ) and more and more will turn the switch off to telco's, they will start using mainly net.

Just my 2 cents.

Dino



saber11
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join:2000-06-09
Clayton, OH

reply to alchav
The world moved on. However there are still Ma and Pa phone companies in the sticks still using mechanical stepper switches. In fact where my grandma lived in Kentucky they were still on a party line with 7 other families untill 1997.

Old tech will only go away when universal adapton takes place. With the little podunks in the woods, that ain;t gonna happen.
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jsb825
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join:2003-10-08
Exeter, NH

As per my post:

»(post #10740614 no longer exists)



usa2k
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said by jsb825:
As per my post:

»(post #10740614 no longer exists)

Aren't memories great. Museums too.

joshj

join:2001-10-30
Antelope, CA

reply to alchav
I see every home and office having a broadband "pipe" of some sort, over which services will travel. Some local telephone companies are doing this already. Check out Surewest (www.surewest.net). They have standard phone service, but subscribers to its video service have their dial-tone service replaced with a high-end DSL line (1000/768), over which Video over IP and Voice over IP travel. The end user doesn't sense anything has changed, but it has.

Of course the local telco won't be the sole source of this pipe -- wireless systems are viable, as are cable modem and possibly power line broadband.


dwolfenb

join:2004-06-10
Knoxville, TN

reply to alchav
PSTN will be around for a very long time, in some form. The equipment is reliable, already paid for and well known. The VoIP carriers still do not have the redundancy or reliability that the PSTN carriers have been able to provide over the last several years in most areas. While not neccassiarly the fault of the VoIP carriers, the reliance on external networks, external power and evolving equipment will cause VoIP to struggle to the masses for some time.

I mean, honestly, when I need to dial 911 or my family in an emergency I would much rather have a PSTN switch routing my call any day over an all IP solution running Cisco IOS that's currently vulnerable to bugs, DoS attacks and unknown government regulation. I would also prefer trying to get a call down the copper lines in times of congestion than down a carriers oversubscribed ATM network...

Just my thoughts...


tlpintpe

join:2002-09-13
Spicewood, TX

reply to prestonlewis
The PSTN companies that don't adapt will die. ATT was originally the "American Telephone and Telegraph" -- we don't hear of telegraphs much any more, but the telephone is still in use, right?

100 years from now ATT will be for "American Telephone and Teleportation" -- okay, maybe I'm dreamin.



voiplover
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join:2004-05-28
Portsmouth, NH

A classic quote from the past:
"No computer will ever need more than 540k of memory"
Bill Gates


Sinclair80

join:2004-04-30
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reply to alchav
I though copper was required for DSL, and it wouldn't work over fiber? Anyway that's what the rep from P8 told me just in random conversation.



usa2k
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said by Sinclair80:
I though copper was required for DSL, and it wouldn't work over fiber? Anyway that's what the rep from P8 told me just in random conversation.

Some of the phone companies are running fibre into a sub division, then dsl over copper. At least I was told that in those situations, 3rd party providers cannot serve you, and I would have to wait for SBC to decide to provide it. (Moved twice since then and my choices are great now!)
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ruscorp
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join:2002-08-29
Earth

reply to voiplover

said by voiplover:
A classic quote from the past:
"No computer will ever need more than 540k of memory"
Bill Gates

You mean:

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."

-- Bill Gates (c. 1981)



prestonlewis
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reply to Sinclair80

said by Sinclair80:
I though copper was required for DSL, and it wouldn't work over fiber? Anyway that's what the rep from P8 told me just in random conversation.

Yes, DSL requires copper in it's current form but the copper turns into fiber optic cable at the CO or RT. However, if the major telcos ever run fiber to your door (and it will happen eventually) you won't have DSL any longer but it will still be a broadband connection, just much, much faster. Instead of having a DSL modem to convert the broadband from copper, you'll have a modem that converts the fiber optic light signals.

david_brandt

join:2004-05-21
Denmark

reply to ruscorp
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers"
-- Thomas Watson Senior, Chairman of IBM (1943)


allsteamedup

join:2001-06-09
Loveland, CO

reply to prestonlewis
I would not predict the death of PSTN too quickly. When was the last time a PSTN network was brought to it's knees because of a DOS attack? It is still too easy for a hacker to set up a network of computers to attack externally exposed servers. VoIP is an evolutionary technology, but there are still issues that need to be worked out. An interesting thought is: what will communication look like in 30 years? The last 30 years has brought great change in the way we work and communicate.
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George Erhart - Pataskala, Ohio



mboy
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join:2001-04-13
Little Falls, NJ

reply to alchav
They can't even roll out HDTV properly (and will AGAIN push it out, past 2007 just as they have pushed the date out a few xs already). Will be quite a # of years until PSTN dies ompletely.Will it die eventually? SURE, everything does, but it won't be completely dead for at least 5 years or so.


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