 alex4lifeAlex4lifePremium
join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC | ? I thought BPL was the same as Cable, in that fiber had to be laid to a point in a neighbourhood, just like a node in a cable system.
Am I wrong? |
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 TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
1 edit | for all of the info you need go here »www.gobpl.com
BPL is not at all like cable. Think of cable as a hose.
water or in this case radio energy flows down this pipe
there are no leeks. BPL on the other hand is a single wire.
it is like a soaker hose it sprays out in all directions
water, or RF makes it to the other end but much of the
RF energy is lost, where does it go, it radiates into the
environment. In other words no matter how you put it a BPL
transmission line is a antenna. BPL proponents might be
able to bullshit politicians, but they can't bullshit us.
We have been building antennas for a long time,
in fact most of the designs in use today we invented.
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alex4lifeAlex4lifePremium
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Delta, BC | said by Transmaster:
for all of the info you need go here »www.gobpl.com
BPL is not at all like cable. Think of cable as a hose.
water or in this case radio energy flows down this pipe
there are no leeks. BPL on the other hand is a single wire.
it is like a soaker hose it sprays out in all directions
water, or RF makes it to the other end but much of the
RF energy is lost, where does it go, it radiates into the
environment. In other words no matter how you put it a BPL
transmission line is a antenna. BPL proponents might be
able to bullshit politicians, but they can't bullshit us.
We have been building antennas for a long time,
in fact most of the designs in use today we invented.
I didn't mean it that way.
What I meant is, how does the data get into the wires?
I get the impression from all the articles I've seen that all that companies need to do is stick a signal into the wire, and *BAM*, everyone everywhere can get an internet connection by plugging in a modem.
Now, from what I remember reading, it isn't as simple as that. Doesn't the signal only go over the lower voltage lines, hence the need for a layout similar as cable, with a central node in each neighborhood?
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| I hope the ham's can no longer use their equipment when BPL goes live. I am sick of their pessimism. |
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| Re: ? HUH? Pessimism? TRY 'REALITY BASED ON KNOWLEDGE OF THE TECHNICAL FACTS'!
You need to know that HAMs made practical most all RF communication technology that we use today, everywhere!
You obviously know NOTHING about Amateur Radio, and what it has done for communications and technology. Want just one example? Spread Spectrum. It was HAMs who decades ago conceived of this. We invented, refined, and put it to practical use long before you were even born, judging by your immature comments. So every time you use a WiFi connection, you should thank the inquisitive, optimistic and inventive spirit of Amateur Radio operators. |
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join:2001-11-09
Lancaster, PA | Sure, and when you go to your Doctor please think of your barber. Because a hundred years ago your barber was your doctor.
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 Radio ActiveMy pappy's a pistolPremium
join:2003-01-31
Fullerton, CA
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From a ham to a brainless troll... |
said by Sunburn:
I hope the ham's can no longer use their equipment when BPL goes live. I am sick of their pessimism.
How about all the other services that use that spectrum? Do you know what other services use it, or are you just another brainless troll who likes to hate and bait?
BTW, BPL IS live in certain parts of the country(inasmuch as the trials are "live"). When it causes interference, we will simply up our output and take down BPL connectivity, to the point where subscribers will bail out and the BPL providers go out of business.
I, for one, will laugh my a$$ off when haters like you have to eat your words.
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| LoL, you hams are delirious and overstate your self importance. You think you are going to sabotage BPL with your tinker toys? Haha, lets see it Mr. middle finger  Then when you are arrested for your illegal act I will laugh my a$$ off when bubba makes you put that big mouth to work. Talk about eating your own words  |
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hedyd4uPremium
join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY | reply to Radio Active
No matter how you say it these trolls will never listen. The bottom line is you can not reason with the pre- school thought process they posses. But I must say it is fun to read the comments pro bpl people make, still waiting for an intelligent one. |
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 tenbase
join:2000-07-19
Alexandria, VA | reply to Sunburn
illegal? how so? |
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FYI, this is BROADBANDREPORTS not hams r' us. This community is here to promote and help people find broadband, not to protect the extreme minority of hams.
Internet access for millions in poor and rural hinterlands is MORE IMPORTANT than playing with your radios. Broadband is becoming a service that people cannot live without less they be disadvantaged.
You are the haters as far as I can tell. We have put up with YOUR PARANOID TROLLING every time BPL is mentioned anywhere on the net. Take a look in the mirror and read the definition of hypocrite. I mean, I know you guys love Art Bell and conspiracy theories but you really need to come back down to reality.
As Hillary Clinton would say: We're going to take things away from you if need be on behalf of the common good. Now if you don't like Marxism too bad. Liberals will shove it down your throat anyway.
BTW - Your arguments saying the sky will fall when BPL comes are complete BS and fly in the face of logic. You think the FCC of all people would allow BBL to crash all electromagnetic traffic??? Hmmm? Ya, that is what I thought...I stand by my statements that you guys are plain paranoid and delirious when it come to BPL. |
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FYI, this is BROADBANDREPORTS not hams r' us. This community is here to promote and help people find broadband, not to protect the extreme minority of hams.
This place might be broadbandreports but everyone is allowed here. And there are many HAM's who use the net too.
This place helps people find DSL, Cable, Sat. T1's and other means of connection (no0t just BPL.)
said by Sunburn:
Internet access for millions in poor and rural hinterlands is MORE IMPORTANT than playing with your radios. Broadband is becoming a service that people cannot live without less they be disadvantaged.
Again, this same argument. Face it, BPL, like DSL and cable, will not be deployed to the rural areas because of costs. Repeaters cost money and without enough people to buy the service, BPL won't reach rural areas any more than current means.
said by Sunburn:
You are the haters as far as I can tell. We have put up with YOUR PARANOID TROLLING every time BPL is mentioned anywhere on the net. Take a look in the mirror and read the definition of hypocrite. I mean, I know you guys love Art Bell and conspiracy theories but you really need to come back down to reality.
Every single argument against BPL has been backed up by pages and pages of facts. There is no conspiracy theory here. There is no trolling. The only trolling and hating is the people, like you, who say "screw HAM radio."
And how are we hypocrites? Explain.
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As Hillary Clinton would say: We're going to take things away from you if need be on behalf of the common good. Now if you don't like Marxism too bad. Liberals will shove it down your throat anyway.
Guess you are a fan of Stalin too.  Kill all those who oppose you.
said by Sunburn:
BTW - Your arguments saying the sky will fall when BPL comes are complete BS and fly in the face of logic. You think the FCC of all people would allow BBL to crash all electromagnetic traffic??? Hmmm? Ya, that is what I thought...I stand by my statements that you guys are plain paranoid and delirious when it come to BPL.
I would say look at the evidence but obviously you are more close minded than an islamic terrorist. You can say what you want BUT the evidence is clear against BPL. |
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said by tenbase:
illegal? how so?
How so you say? Why don't you and your comrades deliberately premeditate and conspire to commit an act where by you actively use your radio equipment with the intent to cause damage to BPL infrastructure. You don't think that would be classified as an act of terrorism? I would be careful if you don't want to spend the rest of your life in jail. Federal laws are very unforgiving.
Now if you are saying you really want to do this and don't believe me... just let me know; I am sure I can arrange for you to be arrested in the next 24 hours to prove a point. |
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said by tenbase:
illegal? how so?
Now if you are saying you really want to do this and don't believe me... just let me know; I am sure I can arrange for you to be arrested in the next 24 hours to prove a point.
Oooh another wannabe cop. |
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zentec
join:2002-01-05
Monroe, MI Reviews:
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BPL doesn't work the way you think it works. The power company doesn't inject the BPL signal at the generating plant and suddenly Jed Clampett has high speed Internet access. The process to make a BPL system is complex, involved and very expensive.
So expensive that I can't see how any BPL company can even imagine making dollar one in rural America. Spend millions of dollars to support a few hundred customers scattered through-out the backwoods of Kentucky. Uh-huh, sure.
No, the BPL types want to deploy it in heavily populated areas where they can get the customer concentrations up. Unfortunately, these areas already HAVE broadband. Worse, the cable and DSL companies will eat the BPL companies for lunch.
So what you have is a bunch of people who missed the first great Internet hype trying to launch a new one. It won't deliver the promised broadband to rural areas because it's just too expensive to deploy there (the very same reason there's no cable or DSL), and anyone with a community college education can see that it has no hopes of competing against cable and DSL.
There's the sad and stark reality of the situation. |
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zentec
join:2002-01-05
Monroe, MI Reviews:
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One other point, thank you for bringing it up.
BPL is Part 15 device; it has to accept any interference. Of course, the BPL people want to change Part 15 rules and regulations so they are not exposed. But as it stands now, if a ham radio operator jams a BPL system through normal operations, tough tittie for the BPL system. |
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tenbase
join:2000-07-19
Alexandria, VA | reply to Sunburn
You need to read up on FCC CFR Title 47 Part 15, particularly 15.17 and 15.113, before you type another word.
Conspiring? Conspiring to do what, operate as I have been for the past 20 years, completely within the limits of my license? If the BPL infrastructure is so shabby it is susceptible to ingress interference from low-powered amateur stations, then I refer you again to title 47 part 15.
As for having me arrested, here's hoping you have exceptionally deep pockets.
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Myth busting:
There is no issue with HAM Radio interference. Show us proof that any one of the 5 competing technologies to do BPL in the USA cause problems. Show me the results from scientific instruments. None have an impact on hams. The level of power to do this is way too low. It is a small induced current, there is a signal created, but the range is just a few feet.
The antenna is very long, but in 3 of the 5 technologies the current is so small that they can not put it through the line transformers and have to go around them with special hardware. Hardly a level of strength that will interfere with hams!
In many rural areas BPL is going to be the only choice for broadband. More than 80% of this hinterland can not receive either Cable or DSL today...Prohibitive costs are another myth perpetuated by hams. A political campaign against BPL is what it is.... a typical campaign, full of lies and mindless beliefs intended to scare people into seeing things their way.
BPL is not perfect, if it was it would have been on the market years ago. But with over 15-years of studies and technical work, it is finally getting to the point where real people can try it.
So hams will have to get over the paranoia and quit crying wolf. The USA will not use the failed BPL technologies that have been banned in so many other countries due to interference. HAMS give the idea of technological advancement in a capitalistic society to little credit. |
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Just state what you are implying you want to do to sabotage a BPL provider service in detail please. Exactly how are you going to go about intentionally causing damage to their system?
If your so confident it is not against the law put your money where your mouth is so to speak.
Making a phone call to the FBI to report a terrorist threat hardly requires deep pockets. |
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TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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Sunburn you open your mouth, and flatus comes out. If fact
I think you are illegal according to the Kyoto accords for
green house gases. I don't have to comment on your facts.
You must have worked for Baghdad Bob. Oh and please Call the FBI they will refer you to the FCC, and we own the enforcement branch
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