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kd6caeP2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Palmdale, CA Reviews:
 ·Vitelity VOIP
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| We should get more upstream! I've often wondered why many providers don't give us the full upstream potential of the existing ways to connect to the internet. Cable for instance can at least do 2MBPS upload, so why not offer a package like that? The internet is a multi purpose tool and everyone uses it differently. While some users just use the internet to check email and browse a web page now and then, and chat with friends or the like, others like myself like to actually use their upstream direction of their connection for such things as high quality multi-user voice chats with ventrilo or real time audio streaming or any number of other things. So why may I ask are providers so willing to give us downstream bandwidth which by the way I have no problem with, yet hardly any want to let us enjoy the potential of a decent upstream connection of 768K or better? I'm fortunate enough to have 768K upload and I'm loving it, but my cable connection which only has 2 packages, the best they'll give their users is just 512K when it's capable of more? Let's show off what DSL and cable are really capable of and not just in the downstream direction! So far in the whole country I've found just 2 ISPS that you can use cable/dsl to it's fullest if desired. The DSL provider is gwi.net and only serves Maine I believe, and the cable provider is optimum online. I'll be shocked if any other providers offer uploads at or above the 800KBPs barrier! | | |
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| Why you don't get more upstream When people DOWNLOAD they have to request the data (ie start a download, play a streaming video file, etc).
When people UPLOAD a lot of the time its unattended (P2P, uploading to friends, etc).
If you download a 50mb file on a 3mbit line, it takes only a few minutes. Then share it back out @ 3mbit on P2P and you can upload over 30 gigs in 24 hours. One of these two actions uses a lot more resources, guess which one?
All consumer broadband is OVERSOLD. That means even though your line may be rated at X-mbit, only a small fraction of users are actually using bandwidth. This ratio is commonly 1/20 (1mbit backbone for every 20mbit sold to consumers) and even can be up to 1/50 in some places.
So mix 3mbit upload, with P2P and warez monkeys and all of a sudden that T3 can only handle 15 users! Considering that kind of connection costs $10-15K/month, someone's gonna lose $$ | |
kd6caeP2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Palmdale, CA Reviews:
·Vitelity VOIP
·AT&T U-Verse
| Well when I do want to send a file I just downloaded to a friend of mine I find myself uploading it to a friend's colocated server that is sitting on a 10MBPs semetrical connection, then uploading the file from there to my friend so he can get it at his max connection speed, not mine. Let's face it we do more on the internet then we did even 5 years ago. Of course faster upload will be used in part for p2p file sharing and related activities, I won't deny that at all, but does that mean we should never get the chance to see what else can be done with decent upload? we can do high quality internet broadcasts, or high quality real time voice chat to name a couple things. and if we ever want to do real time audio/video conferencing and have it be a decent quality audio and video that'll require decent upstream as well. Even latency will be a bit better. When I went from 128K upload to 768K upload, which is what I have now, my ping time to most sites went down nearly 7 miliseconds. Now that's probably not a big deal but who knows. Just my thoughts. I got 768K up the best I can get, so that I can use anything from p2p apps to being able to stream nice high quality audio and it works well. all I'm saying is if this technology can potentially do better than we currently get in the upstream direction then prove it! The reason downloads at least in p2p cases don't max bandwidth is obvious, you're downloading from users who's max upload is 128-384K and it would take several users at that speed to even max a 1.5MBit line. It's just amazing to me that most providers are more than willing to let us receive data at very decent speeds, but to send data, regardless of the type of data or purpose, we get hardly anything. OK enough ranting from me, I'll go back to enjoying my 768K upstream and my 6MBit download. | |
 jonnyzPremium
join:2003-03-20
Canfield, OH
 ·Armstrong Zoom ..
| reply to kd6cae
Re: We should get more upstream! said by kd6cae:
Cable for instance can at least do 2MBPS upload
Actually, 5 MBPS. My cable ISP offers a 10 MBPS/5 MBPS business package with no caps for $350/mo.
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