| more money down the drain We spend more money on trying people that haven't even killed anybody than we do on serious crimes.
Face it, they want him extradited so they can have some sort of perverse justice.
Technically what he trafficked didn't even exist.
Look I stole some electrons guys throw me in prison, seriously now. I hope somebody takes this to the the courts that if you pay for electricity then the electrons you used to download the software were your payment. Intellectual Property laws blow in the US. All they are going to do is make him a martyr and waste our tax money. |
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1 edit | You and Hellrazor just don't get it, do you?
There is more to the justice department than one person, one team. This criminal's extradition does not in any way mean that resources and people have been taken away from other projects.
Are you saying that, because the hunt for terrorists is a high priority, every single employee of the DoJ should dedicate 100% of his time to this task, regardless of the effect it has on the enforcement of other laws and the prosecution of those who break them?
Let's see, to put it in computer security terms... this would be like spending all your time working on firewall rules, while letting your Anti-Virus definitions lay out of date.
Hm, how about another analogy? Perhaps you'll understand a car analogy. Here goes: What would happen to your car if all you ever did was put gas in it and take care of your tires? A lot of problems would crop up, that's what, ultimately ending with your engine dying for lack of oil.
Just because your tires are very important, doesn't mean you focus all attention on them and neglect everything else. Do you get it now? Do you? |
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| What gives us the right to judge him in a us court. Nothing it is not a trial before his peers. To me this makes no sense. Let the Australian government deal with him.
Also this is in my own opinion like bringing a file trader from Bulgaria to the us to fight dmca charges. Let his own countries rules govern him we have no right taking on the role as internet police.
This is why 3/4 of the world hates Americans.
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Rosemount, MN | I live in Minnesota, as you can see, but I was born in a town in Ireland. I usually go back there at least once a year, and i've been all over the place as well. People don't hate the American people for the actions of the American government. They hate the American government for its own actions.
I have yet to come across someone that said they hate Americans because of the government. Even a bastard such as Fidel Castro has acknowledged in the past that his problem is with the government of the US, not the people. |
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Dayton, OH | reply to BosstonesOwn
said by BosstonesOwn:
What gives us the right to judge him in a us court. Nothing it is not a trial before his peers.
Breaking US law.
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Nothing it is not a trial before his peers.
Trial of ones peers means trial by jury.
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To me this makes no sense.
The unenlightened are everywhere.
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Let the Australian government deal with him.
Perhaps they are. It still doesn't change the fact that US law was broken and that justice be served.
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This is why 3/4 of the world hates Americans.
When the rest of the world is wrong, and the Americans are gauche enough to not only point this out but rub the planet's nose in it, it tends to disconcert.
America could hand out free AIDS drugs, free food, free money, free national defense, import trillions of dollars of goods, and 3/4 of the planet would hate us.
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| Ok I get your point on some, but it's not right. He broke a US law from another country. How can we enforce that law. It's not right that we do.
If I broke the law in some other country by going over the speed limit here how can they come and arrest me ? Then go and import me to Australia to face charges there ? They should let the Australian government deal with him. Not Us. It's not right for us to go and drag our laws into other countries. I don't know if you guys really understand why this is a sort of ground breaking case.
If the RIAA decides your from Australia and decides to press charges on you for stealing music. They can site this case as a reason to get you sent to the US. Think of other implications this can have on society. The US government becoming the world wide government soon. If you don't nip things like this in the bud you slowly lose your and the rest of the worlds freedoms.
In 10 years if a Japanese kid is caught hacking a porn site for cheap thrills are you gonna extradite him to the US to face charges ? No you would let his country deal with him. If this goes threw the lawsuits are gonna start piling up against non American citizens and lots of waste is going to accumulate.
And the government in this country is by the people for the people. This means if they hate our government they hate us as well. The government is our representatives.
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Dayton, OH | said by BosstonesOwn:
Ok I get your point on some, but it's not right. He broke a US law from another country. How can we enforce that law. It's not right that we do.
Extradition from and to the US is a normal thing. It has been codified for quite some time. Various nations have mutual treaty obligations to do so.
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If I broke the law in some other country by going over the speed limit here how can they come and arrest me ?
A treaty has the same force of law as does the Constitution, or at least is supposed to. It is doubtful that you'd be extradited on misdemeanor traffic charges, but this isn't what the fellow is being changed with, eh?
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I don't know if you guys really understand why this is a sort of ground breaking case.
It's not ground breaking. Many people think that the Internet repeals national laws, rational business practices, or the need to call their mom each week. Felonies are routinely committed by people in one location and are prosecuted for such conduct in another. The Internet is just another tool in the arsenal of a criminal. Using the Internet does not automatically provide a shield or get out of jail card for people under indictment.
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If the RIAA decides your from Australia and decides to press charges on you for stealing music. They can site this case as a reason to get you sent to the US.
That's a feature, not a bug.
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Think of other implications this can have on society.
The implications are stunning. US citizens may be prosecuted and subject to beheading in Saudi Arabia for producing "pornography" that in the US would be found on Sesame Street.
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The US government becoming the world wide government soon.
That already happened a long time ago. Most of the planet has abdicated defending themselves and their sovereignty, instead placing it in the hands of Washington DC. They have placed their national economies in the hands of the Federal Reserve. They have placed their best and brightest pupils in American universities, hoping that some of them return back home afterwards. They have entered into trade pacts that are quite lopsidedly in favor of the US.
All that's left for most nations is traffic regulation and their rights to wear silly hats.
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In 10 years if a Japanese kid is caught hacking a porn site for cheap thrills are you gonna extradite him to the US to face charges ?
Yes, and this could happen today, if the server was in a US jurisdiction.
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And the government in this country is by the people for the people. This means if they hate our government they hate us as well. The government is our representatives.
Notice I said America, and not the current administration. Most of the planet hated us 10 years ago, and most of the planet will hate us in 10 years when the US is under new management.
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Good response and i recognize the points made.
The internet doesn't provide a shield and it never should however any injustices done on the internet should be trials in their own country not ours. I think it is wrong for these things to happen at all. If the act was done from their land then they should have to foot the bill for prosecuting the guy.
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