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Follow The Money...

And you're proud of that? Special interests and corporate malfeasance plague our country, and yet we go after an Australian file trader?!

I want my country back...

If the US extradites this guy and sends him up the river, I want ken lay, martha stewart...hell, how about all of the Enron upper echelons, Halliburtons, all of the Tyco and Worldcom white collars who have raped and pillaged the American worker (and soldier) to be condemned to a life of povery and no health-care. Let's call it Ashcroft's "get tough on crime and no more Bush cronyism" policy.

Simply put

reply to ebone

Re: Follow The Money...

the way the U.S. is behaving on a global scale - no it's not "our" country - it's yours and evidently, you're perfectly fine w/ that. If you want to have a discourse w/ me regarding the current situation of a file trader's position in Australia that's fine, but it's something else entirely to call me Disingenuous or not understanding of this country's history.

Let me break it down for you, conservative troglodyte; the world, as we know it, is in a far more grave position because of what Bush and his appointed (appointed meaning people he has chosen) administration. From the war on terrorism to the Kyoto accords, The United States has led the way in the last 4 years of how to run international diplomacy, economic development, domestic security, race relations (your boy Dubya snubbed the NAACP this week - first time an acting pres. has done that since Hoover) right into the ground. And in Bush's case he's got Cheney's buds over at Halliburton still raking the American taxpayer over the coals (The pentagon is investigating 3, i repeat 3 separate incidents of overcharging by Halliburton - lol, and these were no bid contracts to begin w/ - talk about taking the money and then some.

You spoke of the supreme court... they have had ZERO hand in the case of this young man in Australia. Learn to read. It is solely the U.S. Dept of justice, who is headed not by the supreme court, but rather the Bush appointed attorney general, John Ashcroft - pushed this through a lower federal court, Just like the RIAA has done with so many unjustified subpoenas. perhaps you might have been asleep for the last 4 years, not just in your history classes.

Now, let's see, if this Australian bloke sets up a server with copyrighted files on it in Australia (depending on the domestic laws), and then people from across the world download those files - How has he broken any U.S. law? He's not in the U.S.! Now if the Aussie's wanna string him up, that's their business, but maybe Ashcroft can determine that he's an enemy combatant, that would be great. Here's a more appropriate example for ya: Italy still has an old law regarding outrageous public behavior - how would you feel if the Italian govt. attempted to extradite you, from your Arizona compound, to try you for moronic behavior against the public? That just seems un-American to me, but again, maybe I was asleep when the red-neck, idiotic version of the history of the U.S. of goddam A was being taught.

The US laws should reach across the globe? Who the hell created that law? Please send me a link so that I can better inform myself. As far as gitmo goes - you mean those god forsaken, towelheaded, camel jockey, doo rags, actually having the audacity to challenge the fact that they've been held for over 2 years, by YOUR Bush administration and never been charged with a crime. Where the hell do they get off?? (*insert sarcasm here). Not to mention how many of them have most likely been treated as bad, if not worse than Abu grieve prisoners - especially since your boy Rummy told the US armed forces generals to "take the gloves off".

Please, never speak to me about being disingenuous or stupid - I take world politics very seriously. Perhaps what you outta do is take your blinders off, get out and go for a hike and get some perspective. Furthermore - it is MY country, yours is the one that's leaving come nov. 2nd.

Ebone,

I am so happy you learned name calling at such an early age. Pinch a nerve did we , Too bad... How about this: More people have died in YOUR beloved Senator Ted Kennedy's FRONT seat than died at the hands of guards at Abu-Ghraib.Kerry worked the system in Vietnam with non life threatening injuries to get out after 4 mos and then stated in Congress under oath that he was a war criminal and had committed atrocities. Hmmm, and he was such a nice boy. As far as my AZ compound goes, I'd guess you'll never know how nice it is since you can't get out of SF without a GPS and detailed map. As far as Bush goes he should've snubbed the NAACP, He was invited there in 2000 and afterwards they ran attack ads against him so where was the sense that he should go? I would've done the same thing. Mfume and his ilk are just as bad if not worse than the corporate fatcats, they can't abide good race relations or they may need to work for a living. So long as there's enmity they can provide their brand of leadership.. I am sooo happy you take world politics so seriously, too bad, when Osama comes for you I bet you go to the UN and ask them to help. The world has taken our aid for YEARS and then we need their help and what did we get in return? Seems you've overlooked the Oil for Food snafu, run by the UN and administered to their great delight. Lots of Luck to you. As far as the Supremes having zero input, when did you land? They set the entire tone of the legal system. In case you haven't yet seen this on the Alphabet networks, BTW it's no surprise, there is a push to extend the laws of the US across the globe. here's a hint: It's not the conservative lawyers pushing for this. Why else would we want to have those poor downtroddens in Gitmo in US courts? See the title above? Follow the money. So get a life and work to think with more than 3 brain cells working in unison. Next time you want to insult someone you should read up on the subject. It's so nice discussing in a civil manner, matters that affect all the people of the US with such a diseased mentality as you obviously have. I am so happy that you are truly so worldly and can share your insights with the rest of us mere mortals. Have a great day, and come Nov when Dubya, as you so playfully called him, wins the election you can then WHINE for 4 more years. That's so nice, it'll give you something to occupy your time. You know what I like about George? He doesn't give a tinker's damn about what you or I think. He works to do what's best for the country. I really appreciate the discourse. Thanx for playin.

It's rather interesting how hard facts simply don't stick with your kind. Once again, let me break it down for you, GOP chimp-

#1 - Fact
So far 15 deaths at the hands of American soldiers in Abu Ghraib - fact. I'm certain there will be more to come as light is shed upon this situation. As it is well known in the military, orders of this magnitude come from up on high; so far it has stopped with Rumsfeld, who takes the blame but dodges the responsibility - which is a rather quaint way to perform your job - I wish I could get away with that. Ted Kennedy crashed his car and his passenger unfortunately drowned. The comparison of Chappaquiddick to U.S. Military torture and killing at Abu Ghraib is at it's best idiotic and uninformed and at it's worst, fucking retarded.

#2 - Fact
John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star with V, three awards of the Purple Heart, Combat Action Ribbon, Navy Presidential Unit Citation, Navy Unit Commendation Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, and the Vietnam Campaign Medal. Irrespective of these awards, as we all know, Vietnam was a horrible part of this country's history, a plethora of bad political maneuvers placed squarely on the backs of our young men and women in uniform. Bush and Cheney both requested NOT to serve period or not to serve overseas. Bush's Air National Guard records have been "lost", as the NY times reported last week - quite convienetly 5 months before the presidential election. However, it has been widely reported, before the unfortunate disappearance of Dubya's records that he was AWOL for 9 months, before his daddy, then the head of the CIA got him an Honorable discharge. Kerry is still carrying shrapnel in his hip, while Bush and Cheney avoided service. Once again, get your facts straight.

#3 - Fact
"Mfume and his ilk are just as bad if not worse than the corporate fatcats"
Yes. The NAACP is running around pillaging the consumer and creating massive offshore holdings so as not to pay domestic taxes... oops, nope, heh, that's Halliburton or Enron or WoldCom or Tyco... The NAACP is in fact holding Bush responsible for "No Child Left Behind", 2.9 Million lost jobs and an unemployment rate of almost 39% in most Black communities throughout the U.S. and how does Bush respond? By simply not meeting with them, and telling the GOP community that the NAACP are a bunch of meanies (not to mention, they're black...ewww). I'd prefer a president who welcomes discourse not avoids it.

#4 - Fact
Osama Bin laden will "come for me" - as in, yes al-qaeda will attack again, in large part because the Bush administration let him get away and focused all the country's attention to the mushroom cloud of another "evil doer", Saddam. And here we are, almost 3 years after 9/11, Afghanistan is being retaken by the warlords and the Taliban, opium crops are at an all time high, Iraq is a veritable vacuum for terrorists, almost 1,000 American soldiers dead, countless billions spent on the war on terror, countries we have called allies for over 250 years hate us, No WMD's, our -yours and mine- civil liberties have been curtailed by our government and the economy, no matter what kinda shine Allen Greenspan puts on it, is in the shitter - all in the name of freedom®. Let me ask you this - since when did the GOP become the party of huge overwhelming govt. power and regulation? You little monkeys have always been small govt. big business - how can you stand this, if you call yourself a republican? Cheers idiot, good to hear from you again.

P.S. And remind me again of what your generic conservative babble has to do with the topic of the Australian file trader? C'mon champ stay on course here...

Ebone,

You are absolutely correct there were allegedly 10 deaths at Abu-Ghraib! However I have seen the Nick Berg video; I have seen the Daniel Pearl video; I have seen the video of the four Americans massacred, their body parts hung from a bridge to burn. I have watched them not because they’re enjoyable, but because they remind me we are fighting a battle for humanity more than for any alleged “democracy in the Middle East.” It’s nearly impossible to give a damn about the nude pyramid which you declare as "torture" and the guy on the leash and his alleged humiliation. It certainly seems that there's a bit of divide between definitions don't you think? You call Abu-Ghraib torture, I don't agree in the least when you’ve seen a man scream until the exact moment his head is removed from his body. Did you get a degree? You may want to request a refund because from this page it looks like they took you for a long ride.

Why is it that if it's Kerry it's he did this and that? Never alleged? Bush is alleged to have been AWOL, has this been reviewed in a court and I missed it, hmmm need to get my TV checked. I find it very funny that you believe that the Millionaire Kerry will welcome discourse, what a crock. He's so busy NOT making up his mind how will you ever tell?
As far as Enron and the others go wasn't that whole gig promulgated on Billy's watch? Oh I forgot your WORLD View doesn't include the ability to remember the years Billy was in the Whitehouse... I am very happy you care what the world thinks of the US, you're such a considerate citizen we should all bask in your aura... Personally, I care not one whit what the "worldview" is of the USA, they're so filled with jealousy they can't handle the intrinsic greatness of America. If we're so bad how come you haven't left for Paris? I am sure you'd be so much happier in France with all those nice snotty people. Or do they remind you of yourself? Do you really believe the French are our ally? You're a bigger knucklehead than I initially contemplated, even for a smarmy Liberal, you can't be so stupid or thick. You have obviously never been out of country or your "world view" would be moderated, oh I forgot, we see Liberals like you and the immediate thought of Mushroom comes to mind. Just remember to keep your mouth shut here in Arizona, we don't like your kind and any real citizen will make sure that you get mebbe 3 words out then who know? Could be even uglier than Paris. I perceive you're the kind that would sell the US out to the UN in a heartbeat. The kind that doesn't have the balls to defend the country and work to make it right. The kind that cheers Moore and his ilk. Really, you must sure be proud of yourself! All fat and happy in the P.R.CA. working to make sure that Mexifornia becomes a reality in your lifetime. The real problem with a puke like you is the diseases you spread, and I'm not speaking of flatulence you Pinhead.

Lol - for a second there I thought you were the cabin boy for Fox news, or on second thought maybe just the pastry girl that wipes the crumbs off of sean hannity's luscious lips.

Love it or leave it - great motto; it's catchy, totally original and it just has a FABULOUS snap to it. Well I'll tell you what, jerky, the assault weapons ban is almost up - maybe once that happens you can unlock your arsenal and head over to Iraqistanarabia and cap yersself some nice islaminac trophies - "That'll look right nice in the double-wide, jus' over that there faux mantle."

And yet you still can't get your facts straight. You are too funny - just like any other GOP altar boy: "repeat it until their ears bleed, and then they'll believe it's the truth." Were you a hard lean in the schoolhouse? That's ok, cause America has a president who's just right for you...

And again, what does your homogenized GOP prattling have to do with the Australian file trader...? Focus, c'mon, you can do it.

P.S. - if you get out and mingle with other people (which does not include your television), it will give you a good sense of cultural relativity and larger social patholog...
...um, how can I put this? - "it'll make it so' as yer not afeard that brown peoples is gonna come clobber ya, seein' as yer arian and all"

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