 Doctor OldsI Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.Premium,VIP
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kudos:18 | Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US .. is sadly behind due to the Telco death-grip on us.  |
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 MarillaI Am My Own ArbiterPremium
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Belpre, OH | Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US yeah.. that must be it.
It couldn't possibly be because we're a gigantic country compared to Japan, with a telephone system that was started long before most every other nation on the planet.
Nah.. couldn't be anything like that.
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hedyd4uPremium
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Schenectady, NY | reply to Doctor Olds
Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US .. Move to japan if you think life is great there then no more worries about telco death-grip. |
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Doctor OldsI Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.Premium,VIP
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kudos:18 | reply to Marilla
Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US And it couldn't be that we (the US) already paid for fiber once and the Telcos have spent the funds elsewhere that were for the fiber? Nah, they wouldn't do that?  |
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Doctor OldsI Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.Premium,VIP
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kudos:18 | reply to hedyd4u
said by hedyd4u:
Move to japan if you think life is great there then no more worries about telco death-grip.
I'll move after you do. LOL |
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 Subaru1-3-2-4Premium
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Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US .. said by hedyd4u:
Move to japan if you think life is great there then no more worries about telco death-grip.
I'd do it.. but no so just for internet
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | reply to Marilla
Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US Well, duh. It wouldn't be very productive to fiber the entire Country...but, all major metro areas should be fiber by now! LA should be fiber,San Francisco, New York, Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago... Philadelphia(hello, Verizon)should have several flavors by now, it's already been paid for!
Now, in rural America, it would have to wait(sorry guys). But densely populated areas, we should have some smokin' fiber already up and running.
There is no legitimate excuse not to have fiber in big cities, for everyone, at fairly low prices.
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kudos:1 | reply to Subaru
Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US .. UGH, not enough space man. Everyone is living on top of each other.
Besides, I don't like that raw fish they've got.
Give me a thick steak, my way too big pickup(w/gun rack), and I'll "suffer" with my 3mb cable connection any day.
I'm an UGLY, fat, stupid American, and that's the way I like it! |
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hedyd4uPremium
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Schenectady, NY | reply to Doctor Olds
Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US Show the proof that you already paid for fiber. Other than making a statement provide your irrefutable proof. |
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 TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | reply to Doctor Olds
said by Doctor Olds:
is sadly behind due to the Telco death-grip on us.
I couldn't agree more. For me to save my time, and the frustration of fighting with a bunch of knuckle heads over why BPL is NOT the answer and fiber is, I'll just stick to this one reply. I did the entire "debate" over BPL each time it came up, and it seems I can't change anyone's minds. BPL causes interference = Bad. BPL is SLOW just as BAD as DSL. We don't want a short-term solution we want a LONG-TERM fiber to the home/premise solution. Fiber = Unlimited bandwidth, hardware easily upgraded for more bandwidth as it's needed. BPL = Limited to the amount of bandwidth copper lines can handle. Causes much interference to many radio using groups.
Screw BPL, Screw DSL, Screw Cable! Hello FIBER
-Tzale |
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TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH:
UGH, not enough space man. Everyone is living on top of each other.
Besides, I don't like that raw fish they've got.
Give me a thick steak, my way too big pickup(w/gun rack), and I'll "suffer" with my 3mb cable connection any day.
I'm an UGLY, fat, stupid American, and that's the way I like it!
I love being an American! God Bless this land of McDonald's and Enron's! oh' yea and Walmart too! I love to know I can go 2 blocks and get a nice big greasy Big Mac, with a super size fry and a large coke to make my American ass fatter!
Screw you World, I'm staying in America with my 10mbit/1mbit connection! 
-Tzale |
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Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US .. said by N3OGH:
UGH, not enough space man. Everyone is living on top of each other.
Besides, I don't like that raw fish they've got.
Give me a thick steak, my way too big pickup(w/gun rack), and I'll "suffer" with my 3mb cable connection any day.
I'm an UGLY, fat, stupid American, and that's the way I like it!
Heh.. well you said that yourself, I guess you don't like Seafood? And the thing your talking about is Sushi, you should try some Tofu!
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| Actually, raw fish is "sashimi". "Sushi" refers to any dish with rice that's flavored with vinegar and sugar. Yes, lots of sushis have sashimi IN them ... but not necessarily. This misnomer is really annoying to someone with Japanese heritage. |
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 tcp1Premium
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Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US Ugh.. Another person who doesn't know what they're talking about.
Do you understand that the whole mandate for the fees and charges and government subsidies of the RBOCs through the 80s and early 90s was infrastructure build out for things like FTTP and at least ISDN-in-every-home (way back when)? Do you realize that this NEVER HAPPENED?
This was the whole motivation for telcos to even engineer DSL! They could use their old, old, often circa-1960 infrastructure to deliver broadband to "most areas".
We have already paid for the fiber. It's there, for the most part, miles upon miles of dark fiber. This is commonly known and a historical fact. Drive around any suburban neighborhood and you'll see orange or yellow conduits sticking out of the ground and taped off. This is not for to-the-home soft-serve ice cream delivery.
hedyd4u, you're like, way out there or something. |
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My friend is getting 12mbs DSL for about $45/mo. I wish I could move out there... more for technology and learning a new culture than net service though. |
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Your problem is overlooking the jingoistic nature of America. I mean come on, we're the world police and can unilaterally make decisions that go against the reccomendations of the United Nations. Even though we are supposedly the paramount of DEMOCRACY. But anyway, back to the point (sort of), some Americans tend to not see past thier own self view (How many here can name the prime-minister of Canada?), so you'll have to accept... sometimes even expect the ignorance and understand that we will change the meaning of things as we see fit.
Someone who speaks two languages is bilingual, a person who speaks three languages is call trilingual. A person who speaks one language is American. |
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Doctor OldsI Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.Premium,VIP
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kudos:18 | said by garbagescow:
A person who speaks one language is American.
Or only speaks espanol and is just over the southern border. No habla engles, senior! |
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Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US .. sore wa, so da ne. Ore mo nihon no heritage motemasu  |
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Fiber is cheap, but the labor to lay the fiber is very expensive. I think that if any of these companies tried to run fiber to the home for all their customers, they would go bankrupt.
It would seem to make sense that the fiber infrastructure should be considered just that - infrastructure - like highways, bridges, etc. Let the local governments issue bonds to fund the build of the fiber infrastructure. Those communities that find it important will vote to pass the issuing of the bonds.
Then to pay off the bonds and pay for maintenance, the community that owns the fiber can sell/rent access rights to the carriers - SBC, Verizon, AT&T, Covad, whoever...
Potentially, this could be a huge source of revenue for the local governments - why not? NYC makes a lot of money from charging toll on bridges where the bonds have long since been paid - as well as the fairs on the subway, which far exceeds the cost of maintenace. |
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Re: Fiber is the answer. Japan has it and the US There is a lot of depolyment of FTT-Remote Terminal. Many DSL lines are supported by a fiber being laid to a Remote Terminal with a DSL aggregator (this is the fiber you see in your neighborhood). Each of those Remote Terminals can serve thousands of customers. Where a Central Office may serve 100 Remote Terminals, the same central office serves 100,000s of customers. Laying 100 fibers is not a problem.... laying 100,000 fibers to each home is EXPENSIVE.
And who is responsible for running the fiber within the existing buildings? It doesn't do anyone any good to drop a fiber on their doorstep. Someone has to wire the house, apartment building, office building and office parks.
There have been a few municipalities that have installed their own fiber loops - Palo Alto, CA is one. When they were laying the fiber they offered local business and residents the option to access the fiber - for a monthly fee and a fixed cost to bring the fiber to your location. The monthly cost was $100 for 10Mbps - not bad. The fixed cost was $10,000!!!
I think fiber to the neighborhood, and wireless (WiMAX???) to the home is the best option The fiber to the Remote Terminal is already there - put a Pole and Antenna on the RT - DONE. Plus you get the benefit that your services follow you wherever you go.
The wireless access may possibly be future proof. It would probably be much easier to replace the electronics in a transmitter on a pole than to replace every interface to every fiber to every home?!?!? |
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