Re: What a relief. But... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r11296074 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:43:34 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:43:34 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11300904 B :
said by jsouth See Profile:
My point is that they are not censoring anything.


I'm sorry, but you're just not seeing it -- of COURSE they're censoring -- you just said so! They're censoring much of the Internet for children ("things that children should not see", whatever those are -- as defined by the censorware companies, I assume), and they are also apparently permanently censoring all "porn"ography!

Not to mention that having to ask permission to use unencumbered access is a bit intrusive and embarrassing, kind of like doing price checks on condoms over the store loudspeaker.

I'm not saying libraries shouldn't be selective, or that Hott Wett Slutz 2005 should be on the magazine rack, I'm just trying to define the discussion better.

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11300904 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:47:43 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11300833 jsouth : My point is that they are not censoring anything. The filters just keep things that children should not see out of their reach. Anything an adult wants with the exception of porn are there for the asking. All you have to do is ask.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11300833 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:38:08 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11300284 B :
Please remember that I'm not drawing a distinction among books, Internet, CD's, magazines, filmstrips, or any other library resources. Though I certainly don't think Internet access should be policed more heavily than the contents of the shelves (though it seems to be in many cases).

My point is that there is PLENTY of stuff in a public library that might be objectionable to someone. Books have been banned and burned for far too long. (I certainly don't want to rehash Twain and Vonnegut and Steinbeck and Salinger et al. here.) New media is not really very different (not that I particularly appreciate most new music or most movies or web sites, but that's the point too!).

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11300284 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:29:57 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11300203 jsouth : Offensive possibly but winnable in a court case no chance. That and keeping porn away from kids. Yes I do live with a library that censors the net. So what. if you are of age and it's not porn the librarians will open the site up all you have to do is ask. No problem. Also what do cds have to do with internet? Most people I know burn cds and give them to friends.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11300203 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:19:25 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11299901 B :
said by jsouth See Profile:
It might have nothing to do with "nudie pics" as you put it, but the library is a public place. Not everyone wants to look at what you think you should be able to see. If there is some thing that you really want to see that some might find offensive, do it at home. Not only does this keep any "lawsuits" from happening but it also helps keep down the spam and spyware if people canot run willy nilly all over the net. The computers are their computers, not yours.


You're kidding, right? How long have you lived in this country? You are aware that ANYTHING you might want to read or view in a library is most likely offensive to SOMEONE somewhere, right? You're not honestly suggesting that the only things that should be available for viewing in a public library are those things that are offensive to NO ONE, are you? I guess you are: »www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/news/lo···2807.htm

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11299901 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:38:23 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11299771 Desdinova : In the U.S. anyone at any age can legally see an R-rated movie if the theatre management wants to admit them. Movie ratings (except those containg pornographic content) are guidelines suggested by a civilian organization (the MPAA) that has no legal authority.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11299771 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:20:52 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11299461 jsouth : It might have nothing to do with "nudie pics" as you put it, but the library is a public place. Not everyone wants to look at what you think you should be able to see. If there is some thing that you really want to see that some might find offensive, do it at home. Not only does this keep any "lawsuits" from happening but it also helps keep down the spam and spyware if people canot run willy nilly all over the net. The computers are their computers, not yours. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11299461 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:37:12 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11299432 jsouth : No. It's just easier to keep nudie pics away from the kids that just want to see them and tell the librarian they are doing "research".:uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11299432 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:32:42 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297876 Goober : I would imagine from his skin color or hair texture. That's usually how people tell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297876 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:13:45 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297383 rit56 : how do you know he was black?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297383 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:13:53 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297378 nixen : I dunno, some of those librarians can be pretty hot...

-tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297378 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:13:31 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297262 B :
I think the simple act of a dour librarian standing over your shoulder should be more than enough to keep both children and perverts in line. It's not as if the public computer terminals sit in little phone booths with shades.

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297262 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:58:29 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297213 nixen :
said by C0unterfeit See Profile:
So what should the age say to allow a "legit search?"
Assuming they aren't already of sufficient age to buy Playboy at the local news stand or legally see an R-rated movie unescorted?

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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297213 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:53:10 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297185 B : Effectively, yes! The point is that no filter can ever perform with 100% (or even 90%) accuracy in blocking all possibly "objectionable" material but ALSO allow reasonable access to the sum of human knowledge.

This also subtly penalizes those already least privileged -- those resorting to the library for Internet access.

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297185 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:49:56 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297089 ReneMH : You have to be of legal age to research brest cancer ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11297089 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:38:11 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296934 Combat Chuck :
said by B See Profile:
Second, "nudie pics" have nothing to do with it -- only the truly creepy would surf for porn in a public library.


Trust me, you'd be surprised.
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We don't report the news, WE ARE THE NEWS! -a friendly message from the media]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296934 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:21:00 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296930 technick :
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Second, "nudie pics" have nothing to do with it -- only the truly creepy would surf for porn in a public library.


I know this is off topic, but I was at my local kinko's a few weeks ago, there was this black guy sitting in the back of the computer area looking at porn... thought it was funny]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296930 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:20:38 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296552 B :
First, "kids" should not have unsupervised access to ANYTHING. The activities of children at a library should be monitored by their parents, guardians, AND/OR librarians.

Second, "nudie pics" have nothing to do with it -- only the truly creepy would surf for porn in a public library.

It has to do with little things like human rights, the first amendment, a free society, effective distribution of human knowledge, watching the watchers, unintended consequences, little things like that.

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296552 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:34:01 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296543 jsouth : Agreed and I also thing for kids under 15 the parents should have to be present with the child.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296543 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:32:38 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296346 bit_junkie :
said by C0unterfeit See Profile:
So what should the age say to allow a "legit search?"


well if you mean legit as in research for school projects and such for children, i think that should be left up to parents what is appropriate for their kids and at what age.

now if you mean legit as in a legal adult website, 18 or older,which i believe is the legal age in most of the country ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296346 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:05:15 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296086 C0unterfeit : So what should the age say to allow a "legit search?"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296086 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:36:53 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296074 Goober : I'll second the support (FOR filters) on that one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296074 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:35:24 EDT Re: What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296023 jsouth : I like the filters at the library. Kids have unrestricted access to those computers and they should be filtered. If you want to see nudie pics do it at home. For other stuff such as legit research into say breast cancer usually all you have to do is let the librarian know and show proof of your age and they will allow sites to bypass the filters.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11296023 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:27:46 EDT What a relief. But... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11295967 B : ... it apparently leaves intact the (Internet) censorship in effect at most libraries across the country. Appalling.

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