Marketing Hype for a small minority -

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palbri Premium join:2000-10-22 Bristol, VT	Marketing Hype for a small minority More marketing hype for a small minority of users. Millions and millions of people won't notice or care to know. While many of the non-tech people I had shown FireFox to, all said that it was too much work to install themes, extensions and plug-ins. -- "Canada is a good model for where the world needs to go in the 21st century" -- US Pres. Bill Clinton, Aug. 5, 2004, Toronto ON.
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justin Australian join:1999-05-28 New York, NY kudos:7	so, wait, it pleases you that "most people" don't listen to you when you tell them that firefox is more secure, easier to use, and doesn't allow popups?
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by justin: firefox is more secure, easier to use, and doesn't allow popups? More secure and easier to use than what? Certainly not IE6 SP2. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	I always ask this of people who make interesting claims... Proof ?
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palbri Premium join:2000-10-22 Bristol, VT	reply to justin Hey, Justin, calm down. You are working too much! No, I did not say I was "pleased." I DO use FireFox. Most people (i.e., average users) I demonstrated for and who had seen it held those views... It was not "out of the box" and they felt it was too involved to set up, tweak, etc. -- "Canada is a good model for where the world needs to go in the 21st century" -- US Pres. Bill Clinton, Aug. 5, 2004, Toronto ON.
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	reply to bmn said by bmn: Proof ? You want proof that Firefox is not more secure and easier to use than IE6 SP2? For the security, I'd point out all of the vulnerabilities in IE6 SP2 (0). As for being easier to use, IE is ready to go straight out of the box. No installer, no nonsense. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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KoolMoe Aw Man Premium join:2001-02-14 Annapolis, MD 1 edit	I don't believe the GDI - JPEG problem is fixed with IE6 SP2, nor even XP SP2. I could be wrong, but I just went through upgrading several machines at a client location to XP SP2 and still had to install the GDI fix afterwards. Edit: Reading furthe down the page, I understand now - IE6 SP2 hasn't been released to the public yet. Kinda disingenuous to claim there are no exploits for a patch that hasn't even been publically released, dontcha think? You're absolutely right that having a browser as part of the OS is very convenient. It would, however, be nice if that browser were not only somewhat secure (and yes, I do agree that it may be unfairly targeted) but actually complied to standards as well. Much less, Microsoft's decision to abandon IE on all OS versions under XP strands an awful lot of users. Why is supporting/fixing/updating a browser tied to the OS version? Oh, yeah...because the browser is closely tied to the OS! Why don't you trust Firefox? KM
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by KoolMoe: I don't believe the GDI - JPEG problem is fixed with IE6 SP2, nor even XP SP2. It sure was. Windows and IE are not vulnerable, but other software on the computer could be. As for IE6 SP2 not being publically released, what are you talking about? It's been out of beta and fully public for more than a month now, and the Technical Previews released during the beta were public as well. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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keith2468 Premium,MVM join:2001-02-03 Winnipeg, MB	reply to KoolMoe I notice the FF marketing folks have taken the current version number off of the firefox main page. I don't trust a product version that the development team doesn't trust enough to put in general release. They have inside knowledge. And if they have a bias, it should be in favor of their product. And if I don't trust their development department's judgement, why trust their development department's product? Also, I always trust the development team over the marketing team. For those who haven't lived it, what Dilbert says about marketing folks is true. On the other hand, for a test computer, for an enthusiast looking for interesting issues, a beta or pre-release version is no problem -- and they should go ahead. Someone has to test these things out and report the bugs so they can be fixed. Just I won't recommend non-general release software versions to laypeople for general use. -- (Virus&Hijacking FAQ + Submit suspected malware + Backups FAQ + Security FAQ TOC)
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justin Australian join:1999-05-28 New York, NY kudos:7 Host: IPv6 Business Connectiv.. Console/Handheld g.. Console Tech Home/Office setup ..	reply to Jeremy341 said by Jeremy341: said by justin: firefox is more secure, easier to use, and doesn't allow popups? More secure and easier to use than what? Certainly not IE6 SP2. Yes I would say more secure, if only because IE insists on including ridiculous activeX support. I guarantee security bugs will continue to be found in IE at a greater rate than in firefox.
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by justin: I guarantee security bugs will continue to be found in IE at a greater rate than in firefox. Your guarantee is great, but I'll take the current version's track record instead. If bugs start popping up, then things will be different. But until then, all I hear is "guarantees", and so far none of them have turned out to be true. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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justin Australian join:1999-05-28 New York, NY kudos:7	a track record of a month or two at most? some track record! you ignore the track record of the programmers. They haven't changed. I'm sure that HijackThis and Spyware search and destroy will have as busy a 2005 as they had 2004.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	reply to Jeremy341 said by Jeremy341: You want proof that Firefox is not more secure and easier to use than IE6 SP2? For the security, I'd point out all of the vulnerabilities in IE6 SP2 (0). As for being easier to use, IE is ready to go straight out of the box. No installer, no nonsense. Hmm, let's see... IE6 SP2 would correspond to the newest release of Firefox version-wise, which would be the Preview Release... The FACT is that NEITHER has had an exploit yet. The newest version of Firefox fixed all of the previous security issues and IE6 SP2 did the same... There is some grey-ness about the JPEG problem since it affects more than IE and points to a screw up in the JPEG parsing libraries. History, however, disagrees with your assertion... IE, even as a mature product, has suffered more over the course of its existence. As for addressing ease of use, I attempted to do know such thing... Ease of use depends on what you are familiar with, so its subjective. -- Victory Not Vengeance Viva La Fee' Verte!
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by bmn: The FACT is that NEITHER has had an exploit yet. I agree completely, and said nothing to the contrary. I just said that Firefox is not more secure than IE. I did not say that it was less secure, or that IE was more secure. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	reply to justin said by justin: a track record of a month or two at most? some track record! I'm counting from when IE6 SP2 hit beta. You can tout Firefox like the second coming, but the fact is it's not even out of beta yet. So I say a beta version of IE can count towards the track record of the final product. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	reply to Jeremy341 said by Jeremy341: I just said that Firefox is not more secure than IE. Well, that would depend on what you mean by secure and at what level you want to examine... Seriously. For example, you can look at which can potentially cause the greater amount of damage within the operating environment. -- Victory Not Vengeance Viva La Fee' Verte!
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by bmn: For example, you can look at which can potentially cause the greater amount of damage within the operating environment. Well Firefox just had a vulnerability that could allow malicious code to be executed from a bitmap. The amount of "potential" damage is the same for both browsers. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	said by Jeremy341: Well Firefox just had a vulnerability that could allow malicious code to be executed from a bitmap. The amount of "potential" damage is the same for both browsers. The potential is different... Vulnerabilities in Firefox are limited to it alone and are only a problem when its running... Vulnerabilities to the IE framework are far more reaching due to its integration into the OS... -- Victory Not Vengeance Viva La Fee' Verte!
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by bmn: Vulnerabilities in Firefox are limited to it alone and are only a problem when its running... They are only a problem when it's running, true, but a buffer overflow can allow code execution that affects more than just Firefox. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	said by Jeremy341: They are only a problem when it's running, true, but a buffer overflow can allow code execution that affects more than just Firefox. That's true of any software, regardless of what it does... That's not what I was talking about though. -- Victory Not Vengeance Viva La Fee' Verte!
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