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Re: Big Bells are back!!! said by KrK:
What sucks is they are REALLY saying "Grant us long-term monopoly control over our service areas. Garauntee to us that consumers won't have a choice and will have to pay what we say. Then we'll think about acting in people's best interests, but most importantly, for our own future greed."
No
what they're saying is that if someone else wants to offer the same service, that company can plow their own fiber
then you can choose which one you'd like to use
What they're trying to avoid is investing $xxxxxx and then having someone force them to allow competitors to use the fiber at less than cost |
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| To those of you who keep saying if competitors want fiber they should build their own. Tell me... how many times will you accept having your yard dug up for every competitor to lay that fiber? Tell me... how easy do you think it will be for competitors to get the same rights of way to even do the digging that the Bells have (that's a loaded question because the chances are VERY low on getting them).
ONE line dug once. LEASE the line to providers. DON'T own the line and be a provider as well (conflict of interest). That is the best option. |
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 DrTCPYours trulyPremium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX | reply to Tikker_LoS
said by Tikker_LoS:
what they're saying is that if someone else wants to offer the same service, that company can plow their own fiber
Bell's already have right of way to deploy their fiber while CLECs do not have that and obtaining right of way rights is not an easy task. This alone makes Bell's levereging their own incumbent position in monopolistic ways. The cost of deployment for CLECs will be higher so they cannot compete with ILEC in any viable way.
Besides, what sounds good on paper does not sound good in reality. There will be a huge amount of infrastructure wasted because a home will only use one of the two choices. |
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Why dig poles work fine for a lot of the cable companies area's. |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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said by Tikker_LoS:
No
what they're saying is that if someone else wants to offer the same service, that company can plow their own fiber
That sounds great on paper--- or in this case, on text.... but how many other companies will have right of ways? Easements through private and public property? Special consideration? Nope. Therefore, it won't happen.
The Bells are keenly aware their only advantage over competition is leveraging their infrastructure. They want to make sure it stays that way. This is why they fight municipal broadband tooth and nail.
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said by Tikker_LoS:
No
what they're saying is that if someone else wants to offer the same service, that company can plow their own fiber
That sounds great on paper--- or in this case, on text.... but how many other companies will have right of ways? Easements through private and public property? Special consideration? Nope. Therefore, it won't happen.
The Bells are keenly aware their only advantage over competition is leveraging their infrastructure. They want to make sure it stays that way. This is why they fight municipal broadband tooth and nail.
Of course the infrastructure is their big advantage
It'd be like buying a lot, erecting a building and selling hamburgers
then having city council tell you that you have to allow a rival company counterspace in your building to sell their burgers (which are really your burgers, just with a different wrapper) |
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| That's a poor example considering there are virtually no barriers to you building your own building.
Nice try though.  |
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said by BosstonesOwn:
Why dig poles work fine for a lot of the cable companies area's.
I don't think poles will work for a fiber line. Too many things can go wrong since fiber lines are much more fragile than cable. If hanging fiber was viable somebody would have been doing it by now. |
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lvas
join:2001-05-17
Glen Carbon, IL | reply to DrTCP
right of ways are not the issue REALLLLY have you ever heard of WI-MAX? there are lots of ways to deploy broadband solutions. you just have to be willing to spend your OWN money. |
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Re: Big Bells are back!!! said by Skippy25:
That's a poor example considering there are virtually no barriers to you building your own building.
Nice try though.
Sure there are. It's cost prohibitive if you don't own or have access to land. Also, there are zoning requirements that current restaurant owners already comply with that I would have to apply for and purchase licences for.
It's simply not possible for me- no money! But a business owner already has the cash for it- it's no fair! |
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DrTCPYours trulyPremium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX | reply to lvas
Re: right of ways are not the issue said by lvas:
REALLLLY have you ever heard of WI-MAX? there are lots of ways to deploy broadband solutions. you just have to be willing to spend your OWN money.
First, WI-MAX is not out there yet. It is still on the drawing board and a lot of power point ware.
Secondly, we are talking about fiber (huge pipe). Wi-Max or any wireless technology is not capable of delivering what a fiber to the premise could do.
With fiber you will start to get HDTV and other high bandwdith video services delivered to your home in addition to mere internet connection.
It is not the same thing! |
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Re: Big Bells are back!!! Correct, the Big Bells must pony up the cash for the upgrades and maintain the existing infrastructure at the same time. I can fully understand not wanting to be forced to lease the fiber at less than what it will cost to maintain it. Their investment must be protected otherwise why make the investment. |
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 John GaltForward, MarchPremium
join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
kudos:3 | reply to SRFireside
Fiber is hanging all over the place...it is really rather more robust than most people think.
It has come a long way from the fragile glass fibers of yesteryear.
It is really not an issue, as such. |
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Fiber is hanging all over the place...it is really rather more robust than most people think.
It has come a long way from the fragile glass fibers of yesteryear.
It is really not an issue, as such.
Thanks for enforcing my point.
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