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Re: BT slowdowns? throttling uploads
Just called shaw in winnipeg ask are you throttling my bit torrent uploads there answer was NO WE ARE NOT AND CARNT BLOCK A PROGRAM OR PACKETS
but the fact remains its happening |
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 ManatriteShattered Reflection
join:2003-03-02
Canada | reply to will2k
This throttling has only affected Greater Vancouver only. |
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| reply to will2k
The ellcoya stuff mentioned up-topic is certainly capable of causing the effects you guys report:
»www.ellacoya.com/products/service.shtml
It can traffic shape on a number of different attributes including number of simultaneous flows - BT sessions will have many simultaneous flows as you upload (and download) from many many other IPs. It can also detected protocol by analysis of the first few packets of a stream. BT probably has an easy to spot header. |
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crepes
join:2004-08-07
Vancouver, BC | reply to silverpig1
said by silverpig1:The only way to change things is to talk with your wallet. Move to telus, make what shaw is doing known to the public, and flood them with emails. The crude summary I submitted made boingboing.net... anyone wanna try getting some discussion going on at slashdot by submitting a crude summary of events? |
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TELUS
join:2004-02-16
TELUS | Slashdot?
I'll get the ball rolling.....
I don't use BitTorrent, you insensitive clod!
In Soviet Russia, Shaw limits.....Oh, wait!
Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of Shaw connections. |
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hesty
join:2001-09-16
Vancouver, BC | reply to crepes
I have tried submitting to Slashdot but rejected. Go ahead and try again, maybe if there are more submissions, the editors will post it. |
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hesty
join:2001-09-16
Vancouver, BC | reply to TELUS
Don't forget:
I for one welcome our packet shaping bandwidth limitting overlords  |
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| reply to will2k
Hi...I'm a shaw customer from Coquitlam BC and although I'm admittedly not a big Bittorent user, I don't appear to be having problems with Bittorent downloads.
I'm currently downloading the I love Bees CD at a rate of 120+KB/s, and uploading it at 50+ KB/s. I also just got the World of Warcraft Trailer by bittorent client, and it appeared to complete quickly.
However, on starting both downloads, it did take a while for the speed to spool up to what it is right now. |
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I'm also in Kits and have noticed no noticable slowdown. |
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| reply to will2k
Guys,
I found this guide. Maybe it will help.
»www1.chapman.edu/~boldu101/guide···uide.htm |
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| reply to ghuj
If I could ask you posters to be more specific about where it's working or not working it is going to be a whole lot easier to understand if and or when they have throttled your area. They would be installing these Ellacoya throttles in the head ends of various areas. In the Greater Van area there are
head ends in North Van, Downtown, Metrotown, Richmond, Coquitlam, Surrey, Abbotsford and in Chilliwack. So if some of you aren't experiencing "issues" it's possible they haven't installed it at your head end. I don't know about other Shaw areas but it seems they have iniated this NASTY program in Vancouver first and it will be a matter of time before they screw the rest of their customers in other areas.  |
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ManatriteShattered Reflection
join:2003-03-02
Canada | reply to will2k
I meant to say the throttling affects Vancouver at the moment. My mistake.  |
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Just reading more about this Ellacoya Choke and found this graph on the following link »www.ellacoya.com/solutions/
Don't ya think they have their graph bubbles mis-labeled??
The grey bubble should be pointing down with the following caption "decrease revenues / penetration".
The orangey bubble should be pointing up and have the following caption "increase cost / churn". 
...that is half you posters "walk the talk" and dump Shaw and relay your experiences to others to advise them to avoid this companies products. They might have gone after the BT & P2P groups at this point and time, and the next thing you know they will find everyone is using newsgroups and this will be next on their list to throttle in some manner. It's a whole lot easier for them to screw that top 5% rather than actually rebuilding their over loaded network, the shysters!
shyster- a tricky person; one without professional honour ...hmmmm lets amend that to Shaysters to cover this unprofessional tricky corporation. |
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crepes
join:2004-08-07
Vancouver, BC | reply to Thingamajig
Count East Vancouver Kingsway in this too. |
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| My BT upload and download is horrible, max 5kbps upload and download. I live in Vancouver west, Marpole area.
I plan to give up on shaw, but the plans that telus isn't too attractive. |
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xsmirage
join:2004-10-16
West Vancouver, BC | reply to will2k
Upload Speed |
Ideas? Comments?
Is it possible Shaw throttles BOTH upload and download depending on the demand on either during the day?
Cheers,
XS |
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| reply to will2k
wow the fastest that I am ever able to upload is between
50 and 60 kb's a second |
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xmirage i would get rid of that picture if i were you as i can see right now you are downloading a number of illegal stuff lol |
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| reply to x-shaw
said by x-shaw:
...that is half you posters "walk the talk" and dump Shaw and relay your experiences to others to advise them to avoid this companies products. They might have gone after the BT & P2P groups at this point and time, and the next thing you know they will find everyone is using newsgroups and this will be next on their list to throttle in some manner. It's a whole lot easier for them to screw that top 5% rather than actually rebuilding their over loaded network, the shysters!
Actually, it's actually the other way around (i.e., the graph was right). You see, us BT users aren't very profitable to Shaw. Now, if Shaw can get Grandma to buy their Extreme plan, even though all she does is check email once a month, that's Shaw's client. Remember Shaw's ads on TV, where the guy on "slow.internet.ca" was always the dim one who basically would be a panhandler? They're trying to get those people. The kind where dialup really does satisfy 99% of their needs. Thus they want to push their services for that group of people (very large group), and kick off those who actually *use* the service.
Us? Well, Shaw would happily say "Good bye, don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out." Shaw profits from people who don't use the service - if they can pay for a T1 and use it service 10,000 Grandmas as above, (at $55/month each), that's a little over half a million dollars. And the T1's only costing less than 10%, resulting in pure profit.
Whereas if they get people who really do need broadband (let's say, legally. VPN to work, downloading 1.5GB game demos, etc), we just end up eating those profits. All they really need to do is keep Joe I-Think-I-Am-A-Power-User happy. He may surf the web daily, be aware of viruses and trojans, but that's about it. He's also probably the go-to guy for those Grandmas, fixing computer problems (i.e., rebooting them) and "knowledgable" in things technology.
It's about knowing the customers Shaw wants (people who can really get by with dialup), how they get it ("neighbourhood geek"), and how to avoid groups that really do use broadband (i.e., "Us").
Sure, if we all move away from Shaw, they may notice, but I really doubt they'd care. More like "Good riddance." |
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dsk5
join:2004-10-27
v5y-1x3 | reply to will2k
damn it, i knew something was up. the last 2 weeks i've been noticing DEFINITE droping of my bt speeds, i've gone from consistant 10-15 kbs and peaks of 35kbs to crawling at 3-5 kbs. I'm using bitspirit and mostly dloading from supernova. Been doing rough speed testing using my ftp server vs bt to dload various linux torrents. been noticing that the ftp is averaging 30 kbs while the bt is 5 kbs.
living in marpole area of vancouver, using shaw extreame (have been on for 4 months), (tested on) win xp sp1, winxp sp2, 2 flavours of linux (both using azureus). havent called shaw yet but i do mobile pc support from home so i can usually skip to 2nd level tech support before i have to start using the big words. gonna give them a shout on friday and see what is up. might have to give telus a call and see what competing offers they can make. |
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