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muni is bad

Its kind of dissapointing to see so many americans put faith in this kind of bullshit. Yes, companies will say what they have to to defend their profits, and yes, we all hat comcast, SBC, etc.- but they're not wrong.

Municipal broadband would destroy the private market for broadband in the city, and heres why: cities can take money out of the general tax pool to fund the projects. SO, for examople, A city could afford to spend $20M to install fiber throughout the town, and then charge residents $30/month for access, not caring whether it will be profitable. People have to realize that nothing is free. Even tho muni broadband might look good up front, you have to realize that come tax day, you'll be paying for everything.

A free market provides better service at a lower price then any other avenue. New technologies are constantly being introduced and tweaked. For example, wireless broadband and VoIP services just started becoming popular about a year ago. Now, WiMAX is about to be introduced, which should improve coverage and speeds to millions of americans. Also, the cost of fiber tech is constanstly decreasing to the point where Verizon is already making a massive outlay.

Nothing is free. Muni is innefficient and forces taxpayers to pay for a system that they may not use/support.


nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA

said by happi thakkar:

Municipal broadband would destroy the private market for broadband in the city,
[...]
A free market provides better service at a lower price then any other avenue.
So what private/free market are you talking about. These are efforts to provide a service where your free market forces have decided not to even bother to provide services in the first damn place. If there WAS a real service offering, you wouldn't see the governments rushing to step in. It's a freaking service vacuum that the muni's are seeking to fill. There is no market to damage.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)

MarcVoIP

join:2004-01-26
New York, NY

As most people know, broadband Internet is qualitatively different than dial-up. It changes usage patterns, and enables new applications (such as VoIP). Most people (and most businesses) are willing to pay more for broadband than dial-up, but since few people are truly dependent on the Internet, they are not willing to pay too much more. Over time, I expect Internet dependency to increase, and willingness to pay increase as well. But for now, most people seem willing to pay $25 to $45 per month ($300 to $540 per year) for broadband Internet.

Depending on the source, and cost, of their capital, most companies look to break even on their investments within 5 years (but in down economies, where capital is scarce, it is often much shorter). If, for example, it costs $10 million to install a fiber network to serve a town of 10,000 homes, the construction costs would be $1000 per home. Typically, construction costs represent about 40% of the 5 year costs of operating an IP network, so the overall expense of operating the network is $25 million. Therefore, with 100% participation, 10,000 homes paying $500 per year, would generate $5 million per year, allowing a 5 year breakeven (amazing how the math works so well in this example!).

The telcos and cable companies always act in their own self interest. They are deploying fiber as rapidly as they can afford to (still have to meet Wall Street's financial ratios), and are prioritizing their deployments based on ROI calculations, and strategic responses to competitors. ROI calculations are obviously much better where there are greater concentrations of users (and revenue) because the construction cost per user is lower. At current construction costs, rural areas may not break even for more than 10 years (or ever!).

As to why telcos and cable companyies try to block efforts by local municipalities to build their own networks, there are two main reasons: one - they are afraid of precendents, where larger municipalities may also construct networks, posing serious competition; and two - network construction costs are expected to fall, and they don't want to lose future opportunities.

Most companies will not set up an office or facility in a town where they cannot get broadband, so the municipalities must ensure broadband to attract new jobs. If the telcos and cable companies don't have compelling ROIs, the municipalities must consider building their own. One of the downsides to that is becoming a network operator.

I would like to hear ideas on how municipalities can get broadband for their businesses and residents, but avoid the long term commitment of being network operators. One idea might be to lease the network facilities (or some of the capacity) to various IP carriers, who actually provide and bill for services.

Thoughts??



wilbilt
Pronto Resurrected
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join:2004-01-11
Oroville, CA

reply to nixen

said by nixen:

If there WAS a real service offering, you wouldn't see the governments rushing to step in. It's a freaking service vacuum that the muni's are seeking to fill. There is no market to damage.

-tom
Exactly.

I live in Podunk, CA...population about 200. No DSL (20 miles from the CO...which is in a different county. If I call the city that the USPS says I live in, it's out-of-area long distance).

No cable (Comcast is about 10 miles away with no plans for this area). There is a local wireless provider that has also reached about 10 miles from here....but again, no plans for us. All of the providers have said that we are not important ($$$$) enough.....so there's no market to hurt.

I am currently paying $85/mo for unreliable slow ISDN + ISP fees.

If the county wants to run fiber, I'll help them hang it!

Will
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