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Mashiki
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Conspiracy 101

Give credit where credit is due.

Unfortunately the answer is far simpler then those wandering in the land of conspiracy theories. The index cycle is set at about 6mo. You are using the wrong tool for the job.

justin
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Re: Conspiracy 101

someone else posts below that comment that images.google.com has no trouble finding recent images.

Mashiki
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Re: Conspiracy 101

Now that one gets easier. Google uses different caching machines, not all machines are upto date depending where you live. Read Google-theory...it's available on many web sites.

The amount of time it takes for a machine is renew-current, and ofcourse if a cluster has been replaced, swapped out, or is an old backup and you access it...then you start flooding the network with bad false rankings. It gets more interesting the more you search into it.

Googles system has strengths and weakness. That it's a very powerful multi-indexed search engine, the downside is it can be flooded very easily with false info, old data, and you can get bad info from an old cluster that hasn't updated itself.

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Re: Conspiracy 101

I just find it hard to believe that a company with the computing resources that it has would be SO SLOW with one aspect of its search.
images.google.com is used by millions, I'd like to see more examples of a six month blind spot before putting it down to them being worse than their competitors, something most un-google like.

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Re: Conspiracy 101

This was relatively recent (can't remember the exact dates or time, though) and yet Google doesn't show any relevant results. The Dover Air Force Base Flag-Draped Caskets.

»images.google.com/images?svnum=1···G=Search

Variations of the search didn't show anything either... hmmm...

N3OGH
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Re: Conspiracy 101

Um, I clicked on your link and got. Shazaam, a picture of a flag draped casket and this story...

"Instead of fabricating intelligence to lead the United States into foreign wars, or blatantly lying to the American people, the vice president ought to take on a task that no one else in the Bush Administration is doing. The New York Times editorial page this morning points out that no one is meeting the families of the mounting Iraq war casualties when they arrive in Dover. The president can certainly not be tasked with flying to Delaware all the time (although if casualties are coming back on a weekly basis, you'd think he might make the sacrifice of working past 5pm once a week). But the vice presidency is notorious for having nothing to do. Cheney's attempts to keep his office busy have been clearly bad for the country. Let him atone for his sins by comforting the families of his war's victims."

If that's government censorship in action, it's damn poor job of it.....

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Re: Conspiracy 101

Right, but there's only one. There were SEVERAL more pictures at the time the story became national news.

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Re: Conspiracy 101

But the issue was lack of any pictures or commentary.

I think the commentary I posted above, copied directly from the link you provided, is, rather scaving to the administration in power.

The bottom line, in my opinion, is the "anti Bush" crowd have become as paranoid as the "anti Clinton" crowd of the 90's

The fact that these folks have become what the despise is too much for them to handle...

justin
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eg.

»images.google.com/images?hl=en&s···&spell=1

wasn't that just recently?
B
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Re: Conspiracy 101

Apparently they selectively include images from Google NEWS search in the Image search results.

Metafilter discussed this yesterday at »www.metafilter.com/mefi/36800 , referencing a month-old AnandTech discussion on the subject.

So far it seems that "GIS" indexes at either monthly or 6-month periods...

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Re: Conspiracy 101

If that is true, why wouldn't this include no images from the debates?

»images.google.com/images?hl=en&l···G=Search
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Re: Conspiracy 101

said by justin:

If that is true, why wouldn't this include no images from the debates?

»images.google.com/images?hl=en&l···G=Search
There have been other Bushes associated with OTHER debates, you know! Even this current Bush has been.

Check the first two hits you provide -- the first is from 1996 and the second is from 2000.

I think you may have proved the point here...

Edit: Whoops -- I missed YOUR point. Yes, there are some current images in there -- perhaps the "news images" loophole I mentioned...?

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Re: Conspiracy 101

either images.google.com sucks or it has been cleaned of scary war images. You can find all the porn you want but you can't find pictures of the hangings at fallujah bridge either. But you can find a thousand pictures of william hung (january this year).

Lycos and the rest come right up with any search combination required. "Hanging contractors" or "fallujah hanging" etc etc.

Another example: you won't get images.google.com to cough up any stills from the various 'beheading' videos, but they are all over the other image searches.

Mashiki
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Re: Conspiracy 101

Google has commented. Thread here: »yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid···&tid=153
B
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said by justin:

either images.google.com sucks or it has been cleaned of scary war images.
The funny thing is, Google's official response, from Mashiki's Slashdot link is, "No, Really, We Just Suck!".

Slightly paraphrased, of course.

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Re: Conspiracy 101

well, that is good.
It would suck to have an good google that wasn't upfront.

note, though, they do censor on behalf of governments - germans cannot get to hate sites, and there are other examples:

»www.sethf.com/anticensorware/gen···ship.php

Mashiki
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Re: Conspiracy 101

So does Yahoo, Altavista, Lycos. It's pretty much a requirement for localized service. So does Ebay actually, I can think of two dozen other sites that do. Mostly based on IP address ofcourse. But they don't censor on "behalf" of governments, they censor as a requirement to federal law. Otherwise they are simply blocked at the IP level by that country...ala China.

That is ofcourse old as the hills and something Europeans will have to sort out on their own. If they want access to that type of stuff.
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said by justin:

well, that is good.
It would suck to have an good google that wasn't upfront.

note, though, they do censor on behalf of governments - germans cannot get to hate sites, and there are other examples:

»www.sethf.com/anticensorware/gen···ship.php
Apparently it is not obvious, though one would think the owner and operator of a rather large web-community, would understand intuitively that his entire site can be blocked by any country in the world which chooses to do that.

If for example he wanted to make his site available to Germany, and the German (or French for that matter) government required him to modify his site policy, he would have to decide whether to accomodate that government or just be blocked. Not really all that complicated, is it?

IIRC, France (the liberal's beloved France) levied certain censorship requirements upon Yahoo recently, and IIRC they told France to pound sand. Funny, I'd didn't know Yahoo, was owned by Republicans.
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