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| Man, people are eating this up like candy! Ok, on one side, we have the music industry claiming that file sharing is killing them. On the other side, the consumers are saying that the quality of the music sucks. Yet, the consumers are still downloading the "suck" music. So who is right?
The answer: Both parties in some way
The RIAA is losing money to file traders, but not as much as they are saying. That and the fact if the RIAA would grow a brain and choose the internet as a distribution method, they could make billions. Imagine selling a cd for $10 and allowing high quality downloads for .25 cents. Buy the CD, you get other extras you can't get when you buy full CDs. Thats a win-win right there. The RIAA does have a right to choose their distribution method however. It is, after all, their product. I just think it is foolish to not look at the internet as a distribution engine.
On the other hand, you have the consumers saying the music sucks. Yet, file trading continues to be popular. I think I saw a story that said bit torrent use was consuming 35% of internet bandwidth. That does not suprise me. So why are people saying this music is crap, but continuing to download it? Simple answer, they think it is crap, but at the "free" price, it is a steal (literally). Sorry, but the "current music is crap" arguement doesn't fly with me. Especially when the crappy music is being traded heavily.
I think these studies are stupid anyway. I haven't seen one study I have trusted yet, mainly because smart consumers lie about it and the RIAA lies as well. We will never see a truthful survey. All we will see is estimates and guesses.
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| That full 35% of bittorrent traffic is not just music. It includes movies, TV shows and software. Music is only a fraction of that 35% being transfered via bittorrent and P2P. And I think if they did a indepth survey of P2P traffic, they would find it to be more on the video side of trading than music. |
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WRONG!
The current music IS Crap!
The majority of songs downloaded today, were made 10 or more years ago, when music WAS good! Thats what the RIAA wants to stop and explains why they want to extend the Copyright life... |
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said by Brown2:
That full 35% of bittorrent traffic is not just music. It includes movies, TV shows and software. Music is only a fraction of that 35% being transfered via bittorrent and P2P. And I think if they did a indepth survey of P2P traffic, they would find it to be more on the video side of trading than music.
Gee, maybe that is because the video side of things is so huge. It takes 600+ megabytes for a video where an MP3 is 3-9 megabytes. Of course there is going to be more video traffic.
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| What I think he is referring to is not the SIZE of the file, but that, that particualr program is geared more towards movies and apps than music. Emule, Kazaa, Groster etc are more audio based, while Torrent seems to be more app/video based.
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Can you prove the music being trade sux.? Perhaps its old but good music being traded.? I dont know whats being traded,Thats why i ask you.Maybe taylor the resident troll can answer this ? |
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Yes, both on the size and that bittorrent is geared more towards videos and apps.. |
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said by guitarzan:Can you prove the music being trade sux.? Perhaps its old but good music being traded.? I dont know whats being traded,Thats why i ask you.Maybe taylor the resident troll can answer this ? Take any of the examples in any of the discussions under this topic. Brittany Spears? Man, a ton of hits for her music for example. I am just saying that the people claiming these artists suck may have a point. However, their music is still being distributed like hotcakes. A simple search will unveil that.
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said by SSX4life:What I think he is referring to is not the SIZE of the file, but that, that particualr program is geared more towards movies and apps than music. Emule, Kazaa, Groster etc are more audio based, while Torrent seems to be more app/video based. --SSX-- Well, it all fits under the file trading disucussion. I only used Bittorrent as an example. However, if you look on a few torrent sites, there are a ton of full albums out there for sharing. As for the other networks, I am sure you will admit there is a lot of music and file trading going on out there when you look at them.
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| thats still not the point..... he said it was MAINLY geared towards apps and movies and thats true...... he didnt say there wasnt any music there |
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what about the people who use p2p to find new good music? i know i do cause theres alot of good music out there of you look around a bit and dont eat that commercial shit pushed on you by the big studios.... also the popular music which is being traded like "hotcakes" isnt that big a problem... i doubt it anyway as it seems it is mostly people who dont download that much music anyway and just use it to get the latest or maybe listen to it before buying the album |
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said by lyls:
thats still not the point..... he said it was MAINLY geared towards apps and movies and thats true...... he didnt say there wasnt any music there
Thats fine, it can be geared toward it, but that doesn't mean there aren't gigs of music out there being shared. He can make that point all he wants, I never denied it wasn't true. Just as he can't deny the fact that music is being shared on all the P2P networks out there.
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said by lyls:
what about the people who use p2p to find new good music? i know i do cause theres alot of good music out there of you look around a bit and dont eat that commercial shit pushed on you by the big studios.... also the popular music which is being traded like "hotcakes" isnt that big a problem... i doubt it anyway as it seems it is mostly people who dont download that much music anyway and just use it to get the latest or maybe listen to it before buying the album
I didn't say that P2P didn't have any advantages. I have found new artists and songs on P2P and bought more music as a result. However, for every person who I know who does this, I know others who just log on and download for free and don't buy. Now, I know my experiences may or may not be the norm, but if it is happening in my circle of friends, it has to be happening out there with others I don't know.
I am merely saying that the truth lies in between what the RIAA is saying and the consumers are saying. You say it isn't a problem, the RIAA claims it is. I say it is somewhere in between. There are people out there trading this music and not buying while there are people who are buying. To deny the extreme in either direction is incorrect.
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listen the POINT was that of course music is being traded on bit torrent but its first and foremost apps and movies there whereas on the aforementioned networks its mainly music (atleast kazaa) noone said there wasnt any music being shared there |
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i too know people like that but i believe they will cut corners on anything..... but i also know a group of people who download like MAD yet they also buy ALOT of movies even if they also download them first.... the first group of people download alot but probably wouldnt buy anything anyway.... of course there will also be people who bought cds before but now has been "hooked" in downloading and just downloads tons of music... imo riaa should go after those who SELL the pirated music and nothing else...... atleast not yet |
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I think the main point the article was making is that people are buying less music due to various reasons like the ones mentioned on the article (REAL piracy, competition and mainstream music not "good enough"). Technically speaking who downloads what on P2P has nothing to do with the article.
Now regarding the "bad" music. I will be the last person to make my opinion on music law. Like someone posted elsewhere it's all a matter of taste. I think the drop in sales and negative comments regarding music today stems from the record label's unwillingness to diversify the music they promote. Right now mainstream radio stations play only a few different styles of music, like hip-hop, Pop/dance and pop/hard rock. That's a very limiting catalogue for a city full of listeners.
Back in the 70's, 80's and to an extent in the 90's you heard a little more diversity. As a result more people listened to the radio and heard about more bands that played music they like. Now, like many other industries, the music industry is taking the "go with what works" formula to the extreme and it's costing them big time. This is what happens when an industry doesn't keep an open mind and doesn't explore new markets.
Basically it really doesn't matter what's being downloaded. Some people actually like the derivative stuff on the radio. Some people maybe download it just because they are used to hearing the names. I personally think the numbers are skewed. While a single pop song is being downloaded more on a per song basis there are more likely ten times more volume being downloaded for stuff that's not as popular, yet has fans. It's just not a single song that's downloaded more. The sales are dropping due to other factors anyway. Part of it because of the real thieves (bootlegs) and a bigger part is the industry's own fault. |
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