Re: iggy's prior post explains some of this in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r11825710 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:42:05 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:42:05 EDT Re: Privacy in the new ZoneAlarm 5.5 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12078122 shamrin : This is the coolest thread ever! Its international in scope, its got heros and villains, intrigue, spies. Most importantly, it scrupulously uncovers an unscrupulous operator (or two).

Who's up for checking out what Spybot, NAV, KAV, AVG and Ad-Aware send back home?

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said by ghost16825 See Profile:

I'm really surprised it actually took you that long to ask these kind of questions, Hillsboro.
Almost any kind of post search of dslreports involving postings by Iggy and ZoneAlarm results in Iggy posting replies to the effect of praising the glories of ZoneLabs and the outright refusal to acknowledge any negative aspects of the products whatsoever. See for yourself (you have Premium membership and can search all posts). Sometimes I find it highly amusing to find Iggy posting as the first reply recommending ZoneAlarm to 'What is the best firewall?' type of questions. As always, usually no technical or personal experience in switching firewalls is given, but just words to the effect that "ZoneAlarm is good".
Point well taken Ghost! I never bothered doing a search. My bad.

When I saw the post he made today... His arrongance... It just Pi--ed me off. Now that I have looked at the links, it is very clear what his interests are... His balance sheet. What a crock...

I don't usually like anonymous posters... But whomever posted the BS meter picture sure hit it dead on with that. And how he threw a fit about the forum rules being breached by this anonymous slur aimed at his veracity.

In matters like this he should clearly state he has a vested interest in ZoneLabs, and stay the heck out of this for that very reason alone. He is not a disinterested party just trying to be helpful. The word shill comes to mind.

Thanks for the heads-up, Ghost!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12077835 Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:48:52 EDT Re: Privacy in the new ZoneAlarm 5.5 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12077134 ghost16825 :
said by Hillsboro See Profile:
Iggy the problem is you are not, if I understand correctly, a legal or paid representative of ZL/Checkpoint.Why you! Do you have a vested interest in ZL? Why are you defending and speaking for them?

Like I said, everything you have said here has no basis in fact. Whereas main of those who posted here supplied information based on fact. Again where is the ZL/Checkpoint person to tell us.

Iggy: what is your relationship to ZL/Checkpoint in this matter? You're are defending them... Why? Are you paid counsel? Are you their PR person? All of this could easily be put to rest if they would just make a statement here regarding the concerns expressed by many of us. We are after all, their customers, and are entitled to answers from them... Not some messenger, regardless of how well intentioned his message may be.


I'm really surprised it actually took you that long to ask these kind of questions, Hillsboro.
Almost any kind of post search of dslreports involving postings by Iggy and ZoneAlarm results in Iggy posting replies to the effect of praising the glories of ZoneLabs and the outright refusal to acknowledge any negative aspects of the products whatsoever. See for yourself (you have Premium membership and can search all posts). Sometimes I find it highly amusing to find Iggy posting as the first reply recommending ZoneAlarm to 'What is the best firewall?' type of questions. As always, usually no technical or personal experience in switching firewalls is given, but just words to the effect that "ZoneAlarm is good".

As to the assertion that Iggy works for ZoneLabs or has a vested interest:

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»www.zonelabs.com/store/content/c···eamz.jsp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12077134 Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:30:47 EDT Re: Privacy in the new ZoneAlarm 5.5 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12076688 Hillsboro :
said by IGGY See Profile:





One I think some users need to take a look at the forum rules. Because I think I remember something about pictures in post not being allowed - when they are of the type shown above. Two I take little value in the opinion of an anonymous poster. Three I think at this time. No matter what the company provides this thread information wise. You going to say it's pure bu--shit. Because your wanting something to be there. Just reading the thread shows that almost no one here will accept any other explanation - other than this company has done something evil. This is exactly why I left the thread originally.

If someone has data they would like to share with the company. Why not provide it to them? I can think of one person within that company that has publicly posted for users to feel free to contact them. I've said it time and again. If there is an issue or a bug. Then I'm all for the situation being addressed and resolved. What I'm not for is rhetoric.

And honestly if you trust this company so little. Why are you still using their product? I've seen comments here stating - oh I knew sooner or later they would do something bad with the software - oh I knew they'd screw us users over sooner or later etc etc. If this is truly how some users feel. There is nothing anyone is going to say and be able to show them. That will in fact change this opinion. If you distrust this company that much. Why continue to put it's software to use?

Has anyone even tested out my last post before going ape? From the post I've seen since- I'd say no. If after doing what you feel is solid testing. And following my last post. If then your still seeing what you feel is inappropriate behavior. Then we can add that to the mix and see what the company has to say in regards to that.

"Perhaps you would like to send me YOUR current release. Obviously mine is broke!"

And what is the need for comments like this? I've only tried to get data for you from within the company. Users wanted answers originally. I've done my best to get them. Your comments towards me are unneeded. Please explain to me how any such comments actually resolve what you feel is the matter at hand? They do nothing to be productive in resolving the "situation".
Iggy the problem is you are not, if I understand correctly, a legal or paid representative of ZL/Checkpoint. What basis in fact is there to what you are saying. If it is true then why aren't they here telling us. Why you! Do you have a vested interest in ZL? Why are you defending and speaking for them?

Tested what you posted. Why? What you posted said nothing regarding what was happening or why it was. More specifically what information was being sent and to whom the information was being disseminated and for what purpose. We connect to Medicare and insurance company databases and transmit information. What did ZL cull if anything? Do you have any answers for that? You seem to be speaking for them...

Why don't we just shut up and use something else. Well in my case I had a corporate account and used it on my business systems. I had confidential client information in our data bases. I am responsible legally and morally for keeping that information confidential under HICFA Regulations. I have already moved on... But I am not done with ZL and Checkpoint by a long shot. I have pulled router logs and there is a preponderance of damning information that they were sending info out without my knowledge that was not clearly stated in the current EULA's according to the law firm that handles our corporate affairs.

Sure I will share logs with them. Give me a name and phone number. Or have him or her PM me here with their name and office number. Funny I have tried to contact them by phone, fax and email... They ain't returning calls. They know they are in it up to their necks... That is why they aren't saying a word... Because their in-house counsel has told them not to say a thing. You get caught doing a no-no the first thing you're told to do is shut-up so as not to increase your liability.

Like I said, everything you have said here has no basis in fact. Whereas many of those who posted here supplied information based on fact. Again where is the ZL/Checkpoint person to tell us.

Iggy: what is your relationship to ZL/Checkpoint in this matter? You're defending them... Why? Are you paid counsel? Are you their PR person? All of this could easily be put to rest if they would just make a statement here regarding the concerns expressed by many of us. We are after all, their customers, and are entitled to answers from them... Not some messenger, regardless of how well intentioned his message may be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12076688 Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:36:52 EDT Re: Privacy in the new ZoneAlarm 5.5 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12076629 Infoman1 :
said by IGGY See Profile:



"Perhaps you would like to send me YOUR current release. Obviously mine is broke!"

And what is the need for comments like this?
Iggy, don't take the comment personally. I appreciate your effort in this matter as many others do. However, the facts do speak for themselves. There has been numerous posts, data, packet traces, and logs posted. It's frustrating when the same ole canned "BS" for an explanation keeps appearing without any official response from the company. As far as CA law, ZL/Checkpoint may be bound by some contractual gag order but that's as phony as it gets. There is no such law prohibiting a company from responding. Company policy, perhaps, law?...LOL
Those logs I posted have every single service you have mentioned disabled for days! Feel free to submit it to your contact and I will personally wait patiently for an explanation of the continued outbound traffic. That was the intention of that comment. I will look forward to a response. BTW product version 5.5.062.004]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12076629 Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:29:46 EDT Re: Privacy in the new ZoneAlarm 5.5 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12076574 WFO :
said by IGGY See Profile:

Has anyone even tested out my last post before going ape? From the post I've seen since- I'd say no.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I did all of the above with the exception of Alert Adviser. I got call outs to ZL even when my system was idle. I even created expert rules and tried blocking at router level and ZAP still called out to the server. Why do you think I posted those screen shots showing my settings? Why did I take the time to write ZL directly? All my findings occurred before the latest release. On my computer the problem is fixed. Of course if you read the entire thread, ZL can push data to any computer they want.:p Infoman provided all the data you could possibly want with the exception of the Version of ZL he is running.:uhh:

Thanks for posting Iggy. I'm glad you took the time, I just don't share your optimism that everything is hunkydory.:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12076574 Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:24:05 EDT Re: Privacy in the new ZoneAlarm 5.5 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12076406 atangel : I don't think anyone thinks you run Zone Labs Iggy, so don't take it personally. People may think that Zone Labs may be using you to disseminate information that they themselves do not want to officially put forward and take responsibility for. And for that, I'm sorry.

The configuration you outlined has been reviewed here before. Infoman1's data is likely very good. So we are at an impasse. You and They will say Nay, and we here will say Yea.

Hard to shine a tarnished rep.

btw, I did put my money where my mouth was. But I stay involved because I feel it's a larger issue, and for all the people I recommended ZAF to.
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Why I mistrust Zone Labs]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12076406 Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:05:33 EDT Re: Privacy in the new ZoneAlarm 5.5 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12076272 IGGY : One I think some users need to take a look at the forum rules. Because I think I remember something about pictures in post not being allowed - when they are of the type shown above. Two I take little value in the opinion of an anonymous poster. Three I think at this time. No matter what the company provides this thread information wise. You going to say it's pure bu--shit. Because your wanting something to be there. Just reading the thread shows that almost no one here will accept any other explanation - other than this company has done something evil. This is exactly why I left the thread originally.

If someone has data they would like to share with the company. Why not provide it to them? I can think of one person within that company that has publicly posted for users to feel free to contact them. I've said it time and again. If there is an issue or a bug. Then I'm all for the situation being addressed and resolved. What I'm not for is rhetoric.

And honestly if you trust this company so little. Why are you still using their product? I've seen comments here stating - oh I knew sooner or later they would do something bad with the software - oh I knew they'd screw us users over sooner or later etc etc. If this is truly how some users feel. There is nothing anyone is going to say and be able to show them. That will in fact change this opinion. If you distrust this company that much. Why continue to put it's software to use?

Has anyone even tested out my last post before going ape? From the post I've seen since- I'd say no. If after doing what you feel is solid testing. And following my last post. If then your still seeing what you feel is inappropriate behavior. Then we can add that to the mix and see what the company has to say in regards to that.

"Perhaps you would like to send me YOUR current release. Obviously mine is broke!"

And what is the need for comments like this? I've only tried to get data for you from within the company. Users wanted answers originally. I've done my best to get them. Your comments towards me are unneeded. Please explain to me how any such comments actually resolve what you feel is the matter at hand? They do nothing to be productive in resolving the "situation".
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