Scare Tactics in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r11866152 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:40:01 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:40:01 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11877922 Derek_Wildstar :
said by jwardl See Profile:

Ultimately, their actions are no different than a robber sticking a gun in your face for your wallet, except that it's LEGAL the way they do it.
Let me see if I understand your logic. An organization acting to protect the intellectual property of its members is the same as a thief trying to take your property from you by force. Did I get that right? Because it seems like pretty bass-ackwards logic to me.
said by jwardl See Profile:

The RIAA and MPAA are both full of crap. They aren't going to stop this, no matter what they do. Furthermore, they both know damned well that file sharing is actually COSTING them little or nothing. They're simply unhappy with their profits, so are using legal maneuvers to MUG the public.
True, it doesn't COST them anything in terms of capital outlay, but it does COST them in terms of lost revenue. And you're right, it doesn't cost them much...right now. However, if a significant majority of people are doing it, do you honestly believe that it will continue to have little impact on profitability? Furthermore, what successful and thriving corporation is satisfied with making less profit? Certainly not the stockholders of that corporation.

Sorry, kid, but your arguments don't cut it. Try applying logic next time.
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All hail the Hypnotoad!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11877922 Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:36:28 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11874431 jwardl : The RIAA and MPAA are both full of crap. They aren't going to stop this, no matter what they do. Furthermore, they both know damned well that file sharing is actually COSTING them little or nothing. They're simply unhappy with their profits, so are using legal maneuvers to MUG the public.

Ultimately, their actions are no different than a robber sticking a gun in your face for your wallet, except that it's LEGAL the way they do it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11874431 Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:29:43 EDT Quality http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11874199 Vvian Kalyss : Just gotta say that the pirated dvds we get here (outside the USA) are basically master quality, don't be fooled by them saying only downloaders get the good shit. I saw The Incredibles already retailing at my local friendly neighbourhood pirate dvd stall even before the advertisements came out, hell, even before people started talking about them in p2p groups. How is this possible if the leak is not from the SOURCE?

And they think downloaders are a big deal? Bah. I've posted it before, and I will post it again: end users are SMALL POTATOES. They need to tackle piracy where it begins, in their own ranks. They're being sold out by their own people.

Edit: typo]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11874199 Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:16:26 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11872757 Desdinova : You forgot hotel in-room rentals (ala SpectraVision) that usually follows theatrical release and precedes home video release.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11872757 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:21:08 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11867592 stet : Actually it's:

1) box office
2) DVD (sale and rental)
3) PPV (sometimes at the same time as 2, but rarely)
4) premium cable (sometimes it skips 3 to go here)
5) broadcast TV (rarely it will skip 3 and/or 4 to go here)

They will never get rid of the box office because that's where the "real" money is made. Most movies will pay for themselves with box office returns. Everything after that is just icing on the cake. It's rare for a movie to make more on DVD sales then it does on box office ticket sales.
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1:) BOXOFFICE
2.) PAY PER VIEW
3.) MOVIE CHANNELS
4.) DVD
Like I said they want to squeeze every nickel out of it.
Here's another idea suppose you had a movie released on DVD at the same time as Boxoffice and like you say they were priced about the same. You know why that would not work? Because like someone said the theaters make millions off popcorn and coke, they would raise H***

Danny]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11867106 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:27:59 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11867059 averagedude : The point being, IF the movie was released for rental/purchase at the standard $15 - It would not be worth all the time and troubles to download. I am one who would always purchase a movie rather than download as long as the price is right. If the MPAA tries to gouge or initial release then downloading will go on forever. To me it is a simple cost/effort ratio.

As stated else where: If the movie theater does not have an "experience" that is worth paying for then their business model is not working and should not be forcefully subsidised by consumers.

I refuse to multiple purchase and view movies. Movies are a luxury for me and I am patient - I can wait for the discount DVD bin :p The more I feel I am being pushed into paying for something, the more I will simply walk away. Heck, wait long enough and the movie will show up on regular tv just like lord or rings, harry potter, matrix as examples.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11867059 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:22:40 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866897 Derek_Wildstar :
said by sayers See Profile:

Because the movie theaters make 95% of their money of popcorn, soda, and candy sales. They make VERY little of showing a movie, that's why the price for refreshments is stupidly high. Allowing people to buy a movie the day it was released would be nice, but would put theaters out of business.
Furthermore, the studio's profit margin is WAY higher on theatrical releases than on home video sales, and always will be. Studios only release a movie to home video once the revenue stream from the theaters dries up.
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All hail the Hypnotoad!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866897 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:59:22 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866813 Cyron : If the movie theater doesn't offer an experience that will keep the seats filled, they should be closed down. My Home Theater system is better than my local theater's.

The reason they're not releasing movie's for sale at the same time, is they lose the ability to charge people multiple times for the same movie. Now, they get $8-$12 (per person) for the movie ticket, $3-$6 for people to watch it on pay-per-view before it comes out on DVD, and either $2-$5 bucks for a rental, or $15-$20 to sell, then an additional $15-$25 for the special, extendid, unrated, director's cut (with the 3 minutes of additional footage).

As long as Movie Theaters are making so much money, they will never change their model. Let's not forget, Box Office records have once again been broken this year. It will be interesting to see if they start to drop after filing lawsuits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866813 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:46:43 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866648 getmeonbnet :
said by averagedude See Profile:

Why not have a move for rent/purchase at time of release?
I think that would curb alot of file trading - serioulsy.
This sounds good, but it'd be a pirates dream, high quality dvd rip at the same time (possibily even before!) as the official theater release. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866648 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:28:48 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866301 sayers : Because the movie theaters make 95% of their money of popcorn, soda, and candy sales. They make VERY little of showing a movie, that's why the price for refreshments is stupidly high. Allowing people to buy a movie the day it was released would be nice, but would put theaters out of business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866301 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:39:30 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866252 averagedude : Why not have a move for rent/purchase at time of release?
I think that would curb alot of file trading - serioulsy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866252 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:32:54 EDT Re: Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866204 juilinsandar : Because my local Blockbuster doesn't have a copy of "The Incredibles" 3 days after it hits theatres.
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"I'm about 10 minutes from, if I lived here, I'd blow my brains out..." - Luke (Gilmore Girls)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866204 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:25:39 EDT Scare Tactics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866152 dlhusk : I agree with the poster who said that they are using "scare tactics". They have all these suits getting a couple thousand a week, the least they can do is let them write some letters. It's the same tactics that Satellite TV uses on the people that "steal" their signal!

BTW Did anyone ever stop to think just how few people are downloding movies and songs? You have to be a real techno freak to know how to do all that stuff. Try to setup a P2P program, and you run into all the problems with OS and firewalls, etc.

Finally if you stop to figure that to download a stupid movie will take a couple of hours, then why not just go rent it for 3.99 at blockbuster or on pay-per-view.

The greedy people that have been exploiting the music an movie industries for rent want the whole loaf, not just half...That's the problem.

If someone wants to do an honest survey they would probably find that most people that download music and movies are the ones that cannot afford the 40.00 to take the wife and 2 kids to the movie, which again is way too costly.

Heard enough of this.

Danny]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11866152 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:17:41 EDT