Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12231810 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:13:57 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:13:57 EDT Crapware? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12232572 EGeezer : If a user knowingly chooses to download a program that can disable, uninstall, or delete any shopping or discount software that might, in the software maker's opinion, nullify the software maker's function, then I must regrettably admit the user deserves whatever problems they encounter when the vendor exercises such unrestricted options.

When the sole restriction is whether the software maker opines - without obligation to provide substantiation - that the applications are in their way, it generates an unacceptable situation for me.

Supporters have the right to tout the product. After all it's reasonable to conclude they may receive money from the vendor and could tend to feel quite strongly about keeping the product around so they can continue to collect.

I personally consider any application vendor that chooses to use security holes and insists on unrestricted authority to install, delete or remove programs at will as untrustworthy. I will treat them as such and will not knowingly support them with my purchase dollars, even if I have to pay more for product. Business and system integrity mean more to me than discounts.
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said by Hickerx2 See Profile:

said by Mele20 See Profile:

This is still the fault of the user. If the user had Firefox this wouldn't happen.
LMAO:D:uhh:
Too much Hawaiian kind bud, perhaps? :D
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said by Mele20 See Profile:

This is still the fault of the user. If the user had Firefox this wouldn't happen.
LMAO:D:uhh:
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said by Mele20 See Profile:

Ebates is NOT spyware! I had it and I loved it. It saved me money when I bought this computer a year ago. If you don't want it then uninstall it but do not say it is spyware.
Not spyware to you then, but possibly malware/spyware to others as according to the description it can be "installed without any notice or consent whatsoever". If you install it purposely, its not malware to you, but when it installs for some others without any notice or consent, that's malware to them, as they have uninvited internet enabled software and have to spend time removing it.
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TheJoker]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12230635 Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:54:29 EDT Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12230485 Buddel : bobince, I absolutely agree with you. BTW, when I said that IE seems to be responsible for everything, I actually intended this to be a tongue-in-cheek remark. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12230485 Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:30:05 EDT Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12230470 bobince : I'm as much of a fan of Firefox as the next guy, but this reasoning is completely absurd, and shared only by CoolWebSearch themselves [some of whose exploits install eBates].

Their excuse on their 'help pages' is invariably "it's not my fault if Microsoft leaves holes in their browsers", which is about as convincing as "it's not my fault I robbed your house, your back door lock can be picked".

Exploitation of browser security holes is ILLEGAL. eBates are indirectly paying their affiliates for committing illegal acts. You CANNOT 'decline' a download that happens automatically due to security holes. Plus of course there is software that bundles TopMoxie without any notice whatsoever, let alone the opportunity to 'decline' it.

Non-IE browsers are not magically immune to security holes. CoolWebSearch have also used a Sun Java VM flaw in the past, which would happily work on Firefox, for example. Would the user be at fault then?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12230470 Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:22:28 EDT Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12222008 Buddel : IE seems to be responsible for everything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12222008 Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:25:49 EDT Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12222001 Mele20 : This is still the fault of the user. If the user had Firefox this wouldn't happen. It is NOT spyware. You can decline the download. You do have to be able to read though in order to decline it. Most everything people call spyware is gotten because they use IE. It is the users fault. DON'T USE IE! It is that simple.
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However, it does definitely match 'parasite', or 'unsolicited commercial software'. *You* may have installed it deliberately, but there are millions that *didn't*, of which Conkshell is just the latest.

The TopMoxie (eBates) software is installed not just by warning-free bundles with other applications, but also by exploitation of IE security holes. See also »www.benedelman.org/news/121504-1.html .

This is not acceptable by anyone's standards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12221937 Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:54:54 EDT Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12218165 Mele20 : Ebates is NOT spyware! I had it and I loved it. It saved me money when I bought this computer a year ago. If you don't want it then uninstall it but do not say it is spyware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12218165 Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:56:56 EDT Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12216341 CalamityJane : You're welcome :). Once removed in Add/Remove program, you might want to subsequently check your Program Files folder just to make sure and delete the ebates folder (if found) usually located here if you are using C: as your hard drive:

C:\Program Files\Ebates_MoeMoneyMaker (delete the folder and it's contents, if found)

Also see our Prevention FAQ here for tips on how to avoid unwanted adware/spyware programs from installing on your computer.

»Security »How do I prevent browser hijacks and spyware?
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Proud Member of ASAP (Alliance of Security Analysis Professionals)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12216341 Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:28:06 EDT Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12216263 Conkshell : Thank you very much!:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12216263 Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:07:52 EDT Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12215644 CalamityJane : Hi Conkshell,

As stated in the Spywareguide description, Moe Money Maker can be uninstalled by going to your Control Panel and look in Add/Remove programs. Choose remove.

A more up to date writeup by Ben Edelman
»www.benedelman.org/news/121504-1.html

Symantec writeup here:
»www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/d···ney.html
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Proud Member of ASAP (Alliance of Security Analysis Professionals)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12215644 Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:20:06 EDT Re: Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12215044 Mele20 : »Opinions, please: eBates MoeMoneymaker]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12215044 Sun, 26 Dec 2004 02:15:28 EDT Ebates Moe Money Maker http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12214984 Conkshell : I came across a bit of what appears to be adaware called "Ebates Moe Money Maker."

»www.spywareguide.com/product_sho···?id=1028

I found it on my System Configuration as part of my start up, and i was wondering if anyone has anyway to sucessfully remove it from my comp.

JC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12214984 Sun, 26 Dec 2004 01:57:44 EDT