Re: When are they going to learn? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12249219 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:09:47 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:09:47 EDT Re: When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12249896 tapeloop : Thanks for the links. Very enlightening.

Still, I think the VOIP/commerce issue would be more in the WTO's bailiwick than the UN or whatever task force they come up with.

On one hand, there's good potential in allowing other countries--developing nations especially--help guide the development of the Internet. Hopefully it would give freedom of communication to countries like China and North Korea. (Wouldn't hold my breath though. :p)

Then again, I'm not too keen on a body with a track record such as the UN's running the 'Net. (Have they fixed anything lately? :uhh: ) Fortunately there was compromise thanks to Japan, the EU and Canada(eh).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12249896 Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:25:44 EDT Re: When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12249317 davoice : »www.techcentralstation.com/121503E.html

»www.detnews.com/2004/technology/···5722.htm

»www.washtimes.com/world/20031208···682r.htm

- Daniel]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12249317 Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:13:38 EDT Re: When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12249219 russotto : It's done all the time the other way around -- companies in Canada sometimes route Canada-to-Canada calls through the US because it's cheaper that way. Or it was; that loophole might have been fixed since I heard of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12249219 Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:03:18 EDT Re: When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12249047 tapeloop :
said by davoice See Profile:

Actually, the UN has been eyeing controlling the internet - along with the ITU. There has been quite bit of mumbling within UN committies about taking control of the internet away from the US (and entities like ICANN) and bringing it into the UN.
Have any links with such info? I haven't heard anything about this UN push.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12249047 Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:36:18 EDT Re: When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12243710 davoice : Actually, the UN has been eyeing controlling the internet - along with the ITU. There has been quite bit of mumbling within UN committies about taking control of the internet away from the US (and entities like ICANN) and bringing it into the UN.
- Davoice]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12243710 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:05:08 EDT Re: When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12243375 tapeloop :
said by davoice See Profile:

I'm waiting for someone like the UN to chime in that VOIP and internet service is international commerce and thus only subject to international commerce laws. Just wait for the first European company to start terminating US based DIDs on a EU based softswitch and things will get very interesting.

Edit: And yes, that is technically possible. You could route SS& call setup traffic via an international ATM connection and provide the termination and setup for calls destined for the US via IP. I just don't think it's cost effective yet. But let a Euro carrier get some scale and you might see some interesting effects.
The technical part may be correct, but that part about the UN isn't. The UN isn't so much a governing body so much as an organization where sovereign member nations pay dues. (Which the US hasn't been doing much of lately... :p)

You're probably thinking of the WTO. In which case the existing international telecom agreements would probably apply, but I'm not too well-versed in that area.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12243375 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:27:00 EDT Re: When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12242487 davoice : I'm waiting for someone like the UN to chime in that VOIP and internet service is international commerce and thus only subject to international commerce laws. Just wait for the first European company to start terminating US based DIDs on a EU based softswitch and things will get very interesting.

Edit: And yes, that is technically possible. You could route SS& call setup traffic via an international ATM connection and provide the termination and setup for calls destined for the US via IP. I just don't think it's cost effective yet. But let a Euro carrier get some scale and you might see some interesting effects.

- Davoice]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12242487 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:43:23 EDT Re: When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12242398 russotto : Unless they're going to argue that VoIP isn't interstate commerce, the courts are unlikely to overrule the FCC on this one, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12242398 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:33:45 EDT Re: When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12241676 davoice : No... in case you haven't noticed, the court system in America has the final word. The legislative and executive branches of our government have had their nuts clipped by the judicial branch for pretty much all of the last 30 years. And the executive branch (esp the Office of the President) doesn't seem willing to challenge the status quo by forcing some more sensible judge candidates into the mix.

- Davoice]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12241676 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:07:07 EDT When are they going to learn? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12241069 CO_Chris : The FCC is the final word come on CA/MN]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12241069 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:41:55 EDT