Re: How convenient in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12293187 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:00:38 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:00:38 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12300727 Carl :
said by Fiber2home See Profile:

Actually - the city did a feasibility survey which showed that the majority of the community will switch services. For two months we had the battle of the push polls of Cox vs. LUS.
Oh i thought it was KLFY lol.
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Carl Smith, formerly known as crstec.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12300727 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:02:33 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12299773 hailinfantry :
said by KrK See Profile:

said by hailinfantry See Profile:

for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way."
No, he's saying the Anti-Market people and the Monopolists need to get out of the way.

And he's right. So, what are you for? "Capitalism"? 'Fraid not, because that embraces competition. Which currently doesn't exist in any meaningful way, and they seek to KEEP it that way.
Not sure how a socialist broadband provider with tax-free bonds for funding that allows them to undercut any capitalist free-market competition fosters capitalism.
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Bizarro I Love You]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12299773 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:12:41 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12299736 KrK :
said by hailinfantry See Profile:

for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way."
No, he's saying the Anti-Market people and the Monopolists need to get out of the way.

And he's right. So, what are you for? "Capitalism"? 'Fraid not, because that embraces competition. Which currently doesn't exist in any meaningful way, and they seek to KEEP it that way.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12299736 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:06:07 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12297992 footballdude :
said by underscore See Profile:

Most rich people get their money off the backs of the hard working lower-class, So it doesn't bother me.
Bull. Most rich people get their money by busting their asses and working to the point of exhaustion. Only a few make their money by persecution and it usually comes back to haunt them (like Saddam).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12297992 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:35:24 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295977 Fiber2home : Level III, ITC, ATT already tie into the LUS Fiber rings which are in place. One thing that a lot of people don't realize is that LUS is not starting from scratch on this project. The city is looking for a way to better utilize an asset. There is also discussion of how it LUS can connect into LONI which is going to connect into the LambDaRail. The University is already using LUS assets to connect the research park to the main campus.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295977 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:18:23 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295960 Fiber2home : Actually - the city did a feasibility survey which showed that the majority of the community will switch services. For two months we had the battle of the push polls of Cox vs. LUS. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295960 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:14:57 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295949 Fiber2home : Their plan calls for 25 year revenue bonds. There is a group trying to call for an election on the issue and have referenced the incorrect bond type in their petition. The group will have to start over again on getting their 75 signatures which have been obtained by cox and bellsouth employees.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295949 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:13:05 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295926 Fiber2home : Somebody needs to build it. All of the incumbants say that we don't need it, they already have it, and that they won't build it. Yes - they have said all three things. If you want to see how they feel about fiber to the home check out their answers to the Chamber's forum questions.

»www.lafchamber.org/site136.php]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295926 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:10:14 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295869 ricep5 : Typical Muni based fiber plans do not use general tax revenue to fund their efforts. They use their tax-exempt bonding authority to have the project underwritten and pay for the capital costs. The actual revenue to pay the bonds comes from the system subscriber income.

Other than competition, what scares Cox and BS is that Muni's can finance capital improvements cheaper than they can by using their tax-exempt bonding status. Typically, publicly held companies cannot get 30 year bonds that cheaply and pay back shareholders as quickly as the market is demanding. So they need near monopolistic policy to maintain the higher prices to pay both.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295869 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 00:58:50 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295205 ppcpunk : Then how about you just build a network and lease port access to many different companies providing all kinds of different services and pay back the money it takes to build such a project with the money you make leasing port access over say 20 years or whatever length of time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12295205 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:35:02 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12293726 ppcpunk : He didn't say due capitalist process should get out of the way. He also didn't imply it because in our society(capitalism) municipal services are common.

Also he doesn't have to speak for everyone in his community - sometimes people in power have to do go against the majority - Like it or not that is how our government is set up, we do not live in a strict democracy. This is why we elect people to make choices for us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12293726 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:09:38 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12293209 underscore :
said by raydsltech See Profile:


Government can do very little correctly and not without wasting tons of money. Do you want the government to build and maintain your network? I don't! The government is suppose to protect us not provide us with another wealth redistribution scheme. This is all about having hard working people pay for internet access via taxing the so called rich and giving away internet access for those who can't afford it.
"Terry Huval, director of the Lafayette Utilities System, thinks BellSouth's real goal is to kill the project. "Their end-game is to frustrate us so much that we back away from this project," he says. Huval adds, "There won't be any cross-subsidies" because the city plans to use revenue from its new broadband services to finance the entire cost of the project."

Most rich people get their money off the backs of the hard working lower-class, So it doesn't bother me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12293209 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:15:48 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12293187 russotto : Muni's are a competing-evils thing. On the one hand, socialized broadband is bad. On the other hand, effective-duopoly broadband supported by the FCCs and franchise agreements is bad too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12293187 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:14:03 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12293093 anon : maybe if the capitalist system actually worked

all it does now is encourage the big players to sit on their thumbs and rake in the profits since nobody else has the money to compete with them (except municipalities, which they are taking out of the game through propaganda techniques and outright bribery of state officials)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12293093 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:05:30 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12293070 72276539 :
said by hailinfantry See Profile:

for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way."
I would do just that, get out the way. When it comes time to connect into the network tell em to build various fiber nodes to someone else. Since Bell and Cox are so bad you are tellin them to get out of your way, they obviously must not be good enough to connect into.
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said by hailinfantry See Profile:

said by Carl See Profile:

Our is the City of Lafayette, and LUS, which is the city consolidated government's utility system. They provide electric and water in Lafayette and surrounding areas.
He is a constituent of the people, not a business entity.
Well, the local news channel KLFY did a poll and over half the city said they were willing to use LUS and that it was a good idea.
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Carl Smith, formerly known as crstec.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12292855 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:40:54 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12292825 raydsltech : Government can do very little correctly and not without wasting tons of money. Do you want the government to build and maintain your network? I don't! The government is suppose to protect us not provide us with another wealth redistribution scheme. This is all about having hard working people pay for internet access via taxing the so called rich and giving away internet access for those who can't afford it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12292825 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:37:11 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12292689 hailinfantry :
said by Carl See Profile:

Our is the City of Lafayette, and LUS, which is the city consolidated government's utility system. They provide electric and water in Lafayette and surrounding areas.
He is a constituent of the people, not a business entity.
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Bizarro I Love You]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12292689 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:20:52 EDT Re: How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12292397 Carl : Our is the City of Lafayette, and LUS, which is the city consolidated government's utility system. They provide electric and water in Lafayette and surrounding areas.
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Carl Smith, formerly known as crstec.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12292397 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:48:06 EDT How convenient http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12292385 hailinfantry : for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way." Hmm...I wonder who is "our." I'm sure he doesn't speak for everyone in his community...probably not even 51% on something as controversial as a muni.
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Bizarro I Love You]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12292385 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:47:00 EDT