| MS Anti-Spyware The BETA Version is free for the testing. After the 90 Day Trial, Microsoft will Charge a $99.00 Licensing fee, per year.
Updates will be available for a subscription fee of $45.00 per year, and will include any new variants of spyware.
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 fegulPremium
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united state | said by Blocker3:
The BETA Version is free for the testing. After the 90 Day Trial, Microsoft will Charge a $99.00 Licensing fee, per year.
Updates will be available for a subscription fee of $45.00 per year, and will include any new variants of spyware.
This will only work on legitimate versions of the "Licensed" OS Software.
What the... $100!! I'll stick with Spybot and adaware, and surf safely
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Joliet, IL | This will be free to licensed Windows users. Updates will also be free and will be available at Windows Update. Once the beta is over it will be made available to everyone at WU and in future OS or SP will be bundled. This is the first step to bundle everything in the OS. There was a beta a few months back for MS Virus scanner. Look for that also in the future.
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 RactMicrosoft Certified Systems CrasherPremium
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Philippines | reply to Blocker3
LOL... Microsoft have no plans for the pricing of the new MS AntiSpyware product as of now... I wonder where did you get that lil "info" of yours... 
Anyways, just installed it on my PC and it works like a charm. 
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| I am Team Leader for the Microsoft software development team on this project. Where are YOU getting your info from? |
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fegulPremium
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united state | reply to Blocker3
If you are who you say you are, I have a few problems with your software. It claimed that the no-ad version of Flashget was adware, and that the WinPcap (network analysis tool) was adware, PLUS vnc. I have uninstalled the program (still going through the registry keys) and will continue to use common sense, Spybot, Adaware and FF to keep me safe.
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 C_Kill The SocialistsPremium
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kudos:3 | reply to Ract
said by Ract:I wonder where did you get that lil "info" of yours... pulled it out of his ass
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said by fegul:If you are who you say you are, I have a few problems with your software. It claimed that the no-ad version of Flashget was adware, and that the WinPcap (network analysis tool) was adware, PLUS vnc. I have uninstalled the program (still going through the registry keys) and will continue to use common sense, Spybot, Adaware and FF to keep me safe. You didn't read the accompanying info that came on PCAP and VNC warnings. It didn't say it was spyware. It said some spyware apps used these tools as part of their application and could install them for that reason. It also said if you installed them yourself knowingly it wasn't a problem. And the recommendation was to leave them there if you installed them yourself.
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 Da22inBuck Fush
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Charlotte, NC | reply to Blocker3
said by Blocker3:
The BETA Version is free for the testing. After the 90 Day Trial, Microsoft will Charge a $99.00 Licensing fee, per year.
Updates will be available for a subscription fee of $45.00 per year, and will include any new variants of spyware.
This will only work on legitimate versions of the "Licensed" OS Software.
Like hell I will....$134 each year? MS has lost their mind. If this is true, then they've really screwed up. It should be free as a courtesy for lack of solutions to IE issues.
Waiting for the crack....
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fegulPremium
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united state | reply to Blocker3
Ah well, I'm safe enough with spybot, adaware and common sense. I used totaluninstall to install it and remove it, so I feel like I;ve cleared any cobwebs it might have left.
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It was the MS Hate blinding him.
He wasn't able to read or apply common sense and intelligence. HE picked the first possible "problem" and he ran with it. |
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fegulPremium
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united state | reply to Blocker3
Actually I am pretty pro-MS. I'm reading a book right now called "Microsoft Rebooted" It's very interesting, and it talks about how Microsoft "rebooted" itself with an interesting co-op between Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates. You should give it a read. As for the "common sense and intelligence" remark. I was merely stating a diffirence between it and its counterparts. The fact that it took out TWO programs when I specified 1 to be deleted also unnerved me.
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 AthlGrondPremium,MVM
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Nice Try |
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 JeffreyWilpon please sell the MetsPremium
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Agreed. How about $19.99? No way I pay more than that. |
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AWSLong Time Gone
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Joliet, IL | reply to Blocker3
said by Blocker3:
I am Team Leader for the Microsoft software development team on this project. Where are YOU getting your info from?
From a good friend that really does work at MS and has always been reliable.
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Don't feed the troll. |
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said by Blocker3:
The BETA Version is free for the testing. After the 90 Day Trial, Microsoft will Charge a $99.00 Licensing fee, per year.
Updates will be available for a subscription fee of $45.00 per year, and will include any new variants of spyware.
This will only work on legitimate versions of the "Licensed" OS Software.
That is pure unadulterated crap. I am not going to subject my OS to some validity test, AND take it up the ass for $100, for MS's "blessing" that my install is truely spyware free.
Not to meantion, any compromised system is only "really" fixed after a complete wipe and reinstall. (much like viruses) So really, you're paying MS $100 just to tell you, "yeah, your system is screwed". |
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said by Blocker3:
The BETA Version is free for the testing. After the 90 Day Trial, Microsoft will Charge a $99.00 Licensing fee, per year.
Updates will be available for a subscription fee of $45.00 per year, and will include any new variants of spyware.
This will only work on legitimate versions of the "Licensed" OS Software.
"The free download grace period for the spyware tool ends July 31."
(»snipurl.com/bu32)
That conflicts with what blocker3 infers which is that the current *beta* is really a trial version. Well, Microsoft has often released "preview" versions that expire. However, apparently blocker3 couldn't even be bothered to register when he posted here. Notice he is an *unregistered* poster. blocker3 was too lazy to create an e-mail alias or disposable webmail account to receive the confirmation e-mail that would complete him registering in the forum. And we're supposed to believe him? I'm a newbie here and even could manage to register.
Sounds more like someone wanting to scare off potential users by claiming that the product will cost $100 when the trial period ends. So, has anyone who installed Anti-Spyware tried setting their clock ahead 3 months, or more, to see if this "beta" version is really trialware that expires?
"By mid-2005, Gartner's analysts are predicting that Microsoft will release a combined anti-virus/anti-spyware product aimed at enterprises, and price it at least 20 percent lower than the competition."
(»www.internetweek.com/breakingNew···55800966)
So what was the major competition to Giant's Anti-Spwyare? Ad-Aware and Spybot? Together they are still free. Ad-Aware Pro is $39.95. So is Giant, er, Microsoft Anti-Spyware an equal competitor to Ad-Aware Pro?
If Microsoft finally gets out an anti-virus product then it'll be probably priced equivalent to, say, Norton AntiVirus which sells for $49.95. However, when have you ever heard of the Rumanian GeCAD's RAV AntiVirus product (»www.techweb.com/wire/26801576), the own that Microsoft bought, being favorably compared to the other anti-spyware products? At VB100 (), it's rated 6 passes + 19 fails (for 25 tests) which means it failed 76% of the tests. Oh, yeah, like that's what I want. AVG (which has a free version) failed as often as RAV, and Avast! (another freebie) was a little better with 66% failures. So they really can't price it equivalent to, say, NAV since its historical performance hasn't proven it to be as good. So MS Anti-Spyware plus MS Anti-Virus might run $89.90. Or it might cost nothing since its RAV tests out equally to the freebie anti-virus products.
If Giant (now Microsoft) Anti-Virus is equivalent to Ad-Aware (free version) plus Spybot (free) plus CWShredder (free) and bundled with the Microsoft rebranded RAV which is equivalent to AVG (free) or Avast! (free) then any price Microsoft charges for their Anti-Spyware/Anti-Virus bundle will be overpriced.
"The real reason for the acquisition," said John Pescatore, vice president at Gartner and the leader of a four-analyst team that published a brief on Microsoft's spyware motivations, "is that spyware problems have been making people defect from Internet Explorer. Microsoft has to protect IE until a new version comes out, which won't be until Longhorn. It has to protect IE now, since any anti-spyware improvements to IE won't show until Windows XP SP3 is released, which won't be until the second half of 2005."
(»snipurl.com/bu34)
Well, now it makes sense why Microsoft bought Giant: to protect is marketshare against the fleeing IE users scurrying over to Firefox. Obviously then Microsoft isn't going to charge for their Anti-Spyware product used in protecting its free browser. |
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| Check todays post on BBR. We ("Microsoft") Officially announced a subscription fee for both the Spyware blocker and our new Antivirus program, at the end of the trial period.
Check the facts before you spout off.
Someone may just know more than you think! |
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| A Google search (which I also did before I posted before) did not turn up any matches for a web page on *Microsoft's* site for an OFFICIAL announcement. So my post was based on conjecture from existing news articles, just like everyone else having to conjecture from what info can be discovered separate of Microsoft.
Well, going to BBR's home page - since that is all you reference and you never bothered to provide a link that claims it is an OFFICIAL announcement from Microsoft (which peculiarly is on BBR rather than a link to a Microsoft page) - I see the article about MS Anti-Spyware. Nothing there telling me that it is a trial version but then it is just an intro.
So I click on the title of the intro on a link which takes me to »MS Anti-Virus on Tuesday. Just another blurb with no mention of trial versions or a link to a Microsoft page for the announcement. The BBR blurb has no datestamp and, of course, news is always irrelevant of its age ... not! I'm not interested in reading the user posts since, well, those are just user posts and again not an official Microsoft announcement (or, did I miss something and Microsoft now owns BBR and only official representatives of Microsoft can post in its BBR forums?).
I then clicked on the "this week" link in that undated blurb which took me to yet another undated blurb which again had no links to a Microsoft official announcement page. So I went back to BBR's home page and clicked on the link to the CNN article in that blurb. That took me to CNN. Microsoft bought CNN so anything reported about it is official from Microsoft? Otherwise, it's just another news article like the one for which I included a link in my reply post. So in CNN's article, where did YOU see the reporter claiming the Microsoft representative saying the "beta" download was actually a trial version? I did a search on that page on "$" and never found the $99 price you claim, or any dollar value coming close.
So I hit several dead ends based on your claim that somewhere in BBR is a link to an official announcement page from MICROSOFT regarding what it publicly declares that this download is a 3-month trial version and what it projects will be the suggested mfr retail price (or any price for it). What I saw in that CNN article was mention of Microsoft planning to release sometime later their anti-virus software (the RAV that they bought) and, "Also being offered is a free program to remove spyware, ...". I didn't see the article then later rebut its "free" claim regarding pricing for Anti-Spyware. I did see, "a senior Microsoft executive confirmed the company's plans to sell its own antivirus software". Yeah, as in they intend to sell an anti-VIRUS program. It doesn't say that Microsoft will be rolling Anti-Spyware into their anti-virus product so Anti-Spyware won't exist separately anymore. The only mention of pricing for the Anti-Spyware product was, "Kaplan said the free version of Microsoft's new spyware-removal software will expire July 31 and pricing for future versions is still undecided." Well, obviously July 31 is a lot longer away than 3 months from now and it does NOT state an expected price.
So back I go to BBR's home page looking for this secret link that you claim is there or somewhere on BBR which is to an official statement made by MICROSOFT on *their* site, not a bunch of guesswork by journalists all bouncing off each other their purported expertise at making projections. I went to Microsoft's own security home page at »www.microsoft.com/athome/securit···ult.mspx to see if I could find this official announcement regarding the download being a trial and costing $99 afterward. After clicking around there for awhile, the only mention of price that I found was, "You can download the beta version of the anti-spyware software at no charge." So it did nothing to substantiate your claim that it is 3-month trialware and MSRP will be $99. I then hunted around Microsoft's PressPass pages looking for confirmation from MICROSOFT of your claims. Guess what? Nope, no announcements from Microsoft about trial version and pricing for Anti-Spyware.
Although there is some conjecture in the news stories about what Microsoft will do with the newly acquired Anti-Spyware product, of which most mention only of Microsoft selling their anti-VIRUS product sometime later, nothing I found corroborates your claim that the download is a 3-month expiring trial version or that Microsoft later intends to charge for it, if anything.
Well, you've managed to yank me around by making me go look some more. Until YOU provide a URL link to a *MICROSOFT* page with an official announcement regarding status of this download as a trial version and mentioning its price after the trial expires, you can go yank someone else. Your purport to be a Microsoft representative making an official announcement for Microsoft yet you cannot show *us* that Microsoft has indeed made that official announcement on their own web site.
If Microsoft has finalized its strategy on distributing or marketing their new Anti-Spyware product, already have a 3-month expiration on the current downloads, and is declaring what they will charge for the product when it is no longer in beta status then, sure, post a link to that official Microsoft announement page so we know it is true. For now, I'll go with the news articles and their conjectures as being more official than your purported official announcement - and they do NOT say the download is a 3-month trial version and no one is claiming to know Microsoft's pricing strategy. I'll believe it when I see Microsoft declare it on their site so I know it is them speaking, not from someone saying they are a Microsoft reprentative (who cannot be substantiated) or from conjectures of users in the forums or in journalists making guesses.
Hey, you might be an okay guy posting here, you might not, and so far you've only made claims that cannot be corroborated and you aren't assisting in that corroboration. You didn't bother to register so I cannot search to see how many other posts there are here by "blocker3" (and even if there were some but because they are anonymous posts with just a *moniker* of "blocker3" then there is no way to determine if those other posts were from you. You chose to remain anonymous. That's something Microsoft representatives really need to do when they are claiming to make official announcement for their employer? |
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