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Re: Avatars - Bigger

said by Dustyn:

I see no real argument for voting against an increase in size.
This is a primarily technical site. Posts and text should be the dominant feature. The larger that avatars get, the higher percentage of visual space they take up on a page. On every page. And style will have stolen a little more room from substance.

Once 45x45 or 50x50 avatars are approved, it's only a matter of time until the requests come in for 60x60. Then 100x100. Have you seen sites with 100x100 avatars? They don't look like tech sites, that's for sure.

The 40x40 limit was made to allow for all the customization features in the "I See People" feature. Many of those customizations came from requests in this forum. Larger avatars do not work with "I see people". It would take a lot of coding, or loss of visible features in the customizable box, or loss of space in the text box, to make them larger.

There are 3 reasons. I understand that you won't agree, and that's fine, but they are valid reasons for opposing the request.

Though I'm happy with 40x40 avatars, I'd rather see avatars get smaller than larger.
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said by fatness:

said by Dustyn:

I see no real argument for voting against an increase in size.
This is a primarily technical site. Posts and text should be the dominant feature. The larger that avatars get, the higher percentage of visual space they take up on a page. On every page. And style will have stolen a little more room from substance.

Once 45x45 or 50x50 avatars are approved, it's only a matter of time until the requests come in for 60x60. Then 100x100. Have you seen sites with 100x100 avatars? They don't look like tech sites, that's for sure.

The 40x40 limit was made to allow for all the customization features in the "I See People" feature. Many of those customizations came from requests in this forum. Larger avatars do not work with "I see people". It would take a lot of coding, or loss of visible features in the customizable box, or loss of space in the text box, to make them larger.

There are 3 reasons. I understand that you won't agree, and that's fine, but they are valid reasons for opposing the request.

Though I'm happy with 40x40 avatars, I'd rather see avatars get smaller than larger.
I may not agree, but I see your point/opinion fatness See Profile...in the posts above, there's been a lot of references to increasing the file size only...not the width x height. Any possibility there?
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You'd be happier with smaller avatar sizes? Well, I can't agree to that personally but I will respect your take on this.

As for your second reason... are you sure your concern is about the amount of people coming back and making new polls for even larger avatars in the future? Or is it more to do with the fact that this motion may *bites his nails* actually pass and the mods had to BREAK on the issue *ahem* for once.

*NOTE: I'm just kidding of course.

But seriously... has this ever been an issue in the past? I'm not talking about how many threads have been created in the past trying to sway a MODs decision in allowing a larger dimension avatar. What I'm asking is, has the avatar size restrictions ever been broken by a motion in the past?

SPECIAL REQUEST: Why not allow this new change to be implemented into this site for "1" full year?

Upon "1" year of implementation of larger avatars review the new change. At the end of "1" years time, see how the larger sizes affected the quality of the site. Only then can you draw realistic conclusions about the "hypothetical therioes" you are drawing your basis on... how it would take a load of coding to make an avatar resoltion ever so sligtly bigger... how were going to lose visable features in the customizable box or a loss of space in written text.

I hear everything you have said but... the reasons that you have given me do not convince. What I'm hearing is that it's a difficult idea to implement, it's a bad idea because tech sites should not have AVERAGE sized avatars, and it's simply an unreasonable request.

One last note, I am not a premium user. So how can I comment on the "I See People" feature argument?

EDIT: Spelling and grammar.
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":/bquote] INTENS1 See ProfileI may not agree, but I see your point/opinion fatness See Profile...in the posts above, there's been a lot of references to increasing the file size only...not the width x height. Any possibility there?
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Sorry my browser is messing up auto-quote

I am not opposed to larger file sizes?
But I can't deny the real fact that I have no use for this request at the moment. I can achieve a decent quality avatar at 60x60 without the need for larger file sizes. I'm also not a premium user... so maybe this request is justified by those who have flashy animations. I am simply not one of those users requesting this.

I am simply requesting a larger dimension size for a plain non-animated avatar. Maybe you can persuade me in how it would be useful. No... correction persuade me in how it WILL be useful.
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said by INTENS1:

I may not agree, but I see your point/opinion fatness See Profile...in the posts above, there's been a lot of references to increasing the file size only...not the width x height. Any possibility there?
If it doesn't mess up anything that currently is displayed, I'd support that. The visual space and the features already included in "I see people" are my concerns.

edited to add by way of explanation: the default view (currently 40x40) is what readers who are not yet members see. To the extent we make that larger we look less like a technical site and more like a social site. And while we're quite a sociable community, the tech side of things is what draws readers (some of whom will become members) here.
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said by fatness:

said by INTENS1:

I may not agree, but I see your point/opinion fatness See Profile...in the posts above, there's been a lot of references to increasing the file size only...not the width x height. Any possibility there?
If it doesn't mess up anything that currently is displayed, I'd support that. The visual space and the features already included in "I see people" are my concerns.
fatness, not trying to be argumentative, just trying for a little understanding since I'm one of those that take little advantage of the I see people feature. Didn't we get that AFTER the size change, and can't the I see people feature be adjusted easily by adding/subtracting to accommodate a larger size avatar-even to not ever seeing the avatar? (PS would also be VERY happy with larger file size :D:D:D, just trying to understand the dimension problem)
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said by Dustyn:

":/bquote] INTENS1 See ProfileI may not agree, but I see your point/opinion fatness See Profile...in the posts above, there's been a lot of references to increasing the file size only...not the width x height. Any possibility there?
"

Sorry my browser is messing up auto-quote

I am not opposed to larger file sizes?
But I can't deny the real fact that I have no use for this request at the moment. I can achieve a decent quality avatar at 60x60 without the need for larger file sizes. I'm also not a premium user... so maybe this request is justified by those who have flashy animations. I am simply not one of those users requesting this.

I am simply requesting a larger dimension size for a plain non-animated avatar. Maybe you can persuade me in how it would be useful. No... correction persuade me in how it WILL be useful.
You are correct in saying that an increase in file size will not help you in what you are asking for. However, threads asking for an increase in anything regarding an avatar, sometimes just take on a life of their own. With that said, I apologize for not staying on the request as posted...my bad. In case you're interested, here's a different crop on your current avatar...if not, I apologize again.
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No problem.
Yup, as you can see file size does not help me.
But that should not stop anyone from creating a new motion (new thread) for larger file sizes. It would be nice to keep it separated from this post so the votes don't get confusing. However, thanks for showing me the updated crop on the file size issue.
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said by dandelion:

fatness, not trying to be argumentative, just trying for a little understanding since I'm one of those that take little advantage of the I see people feature. Didn't we get that AFTER the size change, and can't the I see people feature be adjusted easily by adding/subtracting to accommodate a larger size avatar-even to not ever seeing the avatar? (PS would also be VERY happy with larger file size :D:D:D, just trying to understand the dimension problem)
"I See People" was introduced in this thread: »[request] I quite like this one

Further on in the thread the problem of old 40x50 avatars came to light. It wasn't possible for them to be displayed any way but rectangular. Here's the post in that thread on that subject: »[request] I quite like this one

Uploads were limited then to 40x40, and I talked to Justin a great deal about the possibility of larger avatars. His conclusion was that it would just not work with the "I See People" feature.

That's the history of it that I know.
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Uploads were limited then to 40x40, and I talked to Justin a great deal about the possibility of larger avatars. His conclusion was that it would just not work with the "I See People" feature.
That's the history of it that I know.
Okay. The "I See People" thing I don't know or use. I'm a member. I'm not a premium member so this does not affect me nor can I comment on that part of your argument that you've brought up a couple times now. I wish I could but, I can't. Justin may very well have his own reasons... but I don't get them.

But then again, it's not really all that surprising now is it? Of course he said no. I wouldn't expect him to say yes? That should not discourage anyone from continuing to post their own viewpoints on the subject.

REGARDLESS if you vote for this new motion of mine or not. Post what you think. That's what this thread is all about!
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"said by justin :
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the site didnt/doesnt resize avatars to 40x40, the IMG tag does (your browser) for custom tags only (so far).

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so our browsers are now re-sizing all avatars to 40x40? I'm guessing because they were too big before"

Oh, thought I read that post pretty good, didn't see this, thanks for the link- it appears to be an either/or thing, either "I see people", or larger avatar? Didn't realize that, thanks for the clarification fatness .
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So we don't get off topic post about increasing Avatar "FILE SIZE" in the thread linked below.

»[request] Requesting larger file size for avatars

Good luck dandelion See Profile with your motion.