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FFH5
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If you can't beat them; join them

If you can't beat them, then either buy them or join them. The profit motive will not be blocked. Eventually every anti-spyware company will be either bought or co-opted by these adware sharks.

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Rickez
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»www.coast-info.org/

Reading the web site of COAST it is easy to see they are just chock full of S***.


Nanoprobe
Looking for cures in memory of Mom
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reply to FFH5
Agreed! And the internet will continue to decline into a money grabbing at all cost cesspool. No wonder so many users are leaving.
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salient

@rr.com

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reply to Rickez
Another excellent reason to switch to Linux ... You may not have realised a glaring fact by now, but they have.
The fact is they need each other ... The AV and Antispyware groups needing to have scumware to scan for ... and the scums need some of their stuff to go undetected to survive.

Do you think it's an accident that these marketing groups have gotten richer and richer over the years? ... doubling in numbers, just like the antispyware company's.

If the antispyware apps worked half as good as they claim they do online marketing would be a dying business ... and they would't be getting richer and richer every year.

switch to Linux and shake loose of all of these scumbags ... starting with the biggest spy of all ... Microsoft.


redxii
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join:2001-02-26
Sherwood, MI

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I want:
-Auto mounting of removable media (Windows seems to already know the file system and ISO type... hmmm...)
-Native gaming support for all Windows titles
-Auto detection of all my hardware, hence the need to not run xorgconfig before running the GUI

before ever considering moving to Linux. It's a waste of my time if I can't plug in my USB thumb drive or my iPod without being able to immediately use it.

That said; you are probably running with very limited privileges which is something most Windows users never do, because they don't know any better than "internet explorer is the internet." If users ran as a limited user and only used the administrator account for certain administrative issues, then Windows would not have even have half the problems it has now.
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claudeo

join:2000-02-23
Redmond, WA
reply to salient
[q]Another excellent reason to switch to Linux ... [/q] What does that have to do with anything? There is just no sufficient installed base of Linux desktops run by technically inept people to justify any kind of adware effort.


Thaler
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reply to redxii
said by redxii:

That said; you are probably running with very limited privileges which is something most Windows users never do, because they don't know any better than "internet explorer is the internet." If users ran as a limited user and only used the administrator account for certain administrative issues, then Windows would not have even have half the problems it has now.
This needs to first start with the software vendors themselves. Most software (game titles especially) assume that the current user has full Administrative control at all times. Personally testing several games and apps, only a small amount were able to run w/o tweaking involved...and some had files located god-knows-wherever, that I just gave up trying to find out what I needed to give Users access to.

So, don't blame your average computer user for not running as a Limited User...most current day software doesn't make it easy for you to do so to begin with.


redxii
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Sherwood, MI

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Had no problems using this little guy:




As for "tweaking", the concept is the same in Linux as it is in Windows. The whole idea is to not to let them do anything they want on the system as a limited user, or easily for that matter.

Linux: Open console, type "su" then the password that goes to root, then exec the install.

Windows: Right-click, "Run as..." and provide credentials for an account with administrator privileges.

So the average computer can still be blamed. Works in Windows 2000 as well, and including Home Edition of XP.
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Thaler
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I thought you were supposed to only do the "Run as..." was for Administrative tasks, such as installing software, chaging settings, etc.

I would personally have all my family PCs running as limited users, but the whole "making them have to do 'Run as...'" every time they wish to run an installed application would drive me nuts. Hell, it took me a YEAR to break them of the habit of opening up AOL to access the internet.


Me: No...we've been on DSL for the last few months, you don't NEED to run AOL to get on the 'net. You're always on! Just open the browser.
Family member: Web browser...you mean AOL, right?
Me: *sigh*


redxii
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I guess we share something.

I am the only knowledgeable person in this house, we have 2 laptops and 2-3 desktops, one of which is mine. I run the desktop downstairs as limited users. They tend to get viruses and adware, not knowing the difference between Yes and No (they assume everything you have to say 'Yes' to).

If they want something installed, they have to ask me, and I do the Run as or login with my admin account. If they get infected, I don't want that computer compromising mine and nor do I want to fix it. They'd be very lost without me.

I would still want the said Linux features implemented though
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Thaler
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Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3
reply to redxii
(add on)

I think you're a wee bit confused. I don't mean that they have a problem installing things under a Limited user...I completely understand that.

I meant having a problem RUNNING certain applications...Diablo II comes to mind. By installation default, I wasn't able to run DII as a limited user, w/o setting the whole Diablo II directory to users having Full Control. Other programs involved giving limited users more rights to vague folders all over the system.

This is what I meant that software vendors need to do the first step, and make their software more "limited user" friendly by default. Don't make me search for whatever folder(s) your program has installed itself into, test & see what rights we need, etc...just have me be able to install as Admin, and run as a limited user w/o problems.


redxii
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I can agree with that, not the user's fault.

I don't like Linux because it's "su command, run install; then the user configures, configures, configures, configures, ..."


Thaler
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Which is precisely why I have to leave my family PCs running with users w/ full admin rights. Otherwise, I'll be spending buttloads of time, trying to figure out exactly what tweaks I have to make to my installed programs to make them "limited user" friendly.

The current most popular app in use at home is WoW, and I think even that might not run correctly if launched by a limited user.

Thanks for your input, BTW. I thought I was the only one going crazy in this situation here. ^_^


Thaler
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reply to Nanoprobe
The articles written about in the newspaper are purely speculation. They inverviewed a few disgruntled grannies getting porn, and assume that means there's a mass exodus occuring of people leaving the 'net. Current statistics show that MORE people are joining the 'net, and getting faster and faster speeds even. (more signing up for broadband every day)

Until the news agencies produce SOME kind of number, stats, or facts about "people leaving the 'net", the stories themselves have no merit.


fatmanskinny
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Wandering
reply to Rickez
I find it funny that Weatherbug is a member of COAST. ROFLMAO!


rte

@cpe.net.cable.rogers
reply to redxii
"

-Auto mounting of removable media (Windows seems to already know the file system and ISO type... hmmm...)
"
Gnome and kde do this already..hmm

"
-Native gaming support for all Windows titles
"

nope

"
-Auto detection of all my hardware, hence the need to not run xorgconfig before running the GUI
"

Hotplug does this...what distros have you been runing??


Thaler
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Games and alternate Linux apps are kinda the current desktop killer for the 'nix alternatives. True, yes, there (usually) is a Linux alternative app for every app you're used to running in Windows, but the time spent on Googling/researching/finding these hidden gems is enourmous. Usually if the manufacturer didn't make a Linux alternative themselves for a certain kind of program, I just didn't even bother looking around. (spending hours on Google isn't my idea of fun)

Let alone system plug-n-play ability - wireless is a great example. Every hard-core Linux fan will say that "wireless is supported" in Unix...but I so far haven't gotten it to work. Hours of fiddling with various packages, settings, and system tweaks, and I have yet to get my wireless card to detect squat. So, yes, it might be supported, but if it requires me to dedicate a day of research just to get the stupid thing to work...most people (and I) don't even bother. $70-170 is well worth it to me (and most others) to spend on an operating system that hardware manufacturers BUILT the damn things to run on.

Games are another field where, much like the Mac, a lot simply JUST DON'T WORK. Yes, you could run an emulator, (which alone eats up a great portion of system resources) or crack the files and later run into errors, (which, after hours of Google-searching, you find have yet to be solved) but it just isn't worth it.

Now, if Linux (or any other OS) could overcome those two hurdles, I'd be the first on board to happily switch over.

PS. Please don't respond with the "games that only run on Windows aren't even worth playing" statement. I love my games that run, even if it's only in Windows. Sure, it might've been shallow for the game programmers to not design 'ports, but it was their decision to make.


redxii
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Sherwood, MI

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reply to rte
Linux detects my hardware, all that scrolling text, but I can't run gnome without telling it yet again my hardware

Gnome did not auto mount my CDs. Sure, something popped up on the desktop but it claimed it wasn't mounted. So I had to manually mount it.


rte

@cpe.net.cable.rogers
What distro were you using? I use gnome and kde daily (different computers) and they all have automount installed.


rte

@cpe.net.cable.rogers
reply to Thaler
There was an attempt to port Win games ot Linux at lokigames.com, but they went out of busniess. Maybe you'll find something there...

The problem is mostly in DirectX, but »www.transgaming.com/products_linux.php Cedega (based on WINE) is a for pay option.

nguyen27

join:2003-05-14
Quincy, MA
reply to Rickez
Well, the latest news from them date back in May 2004, so I guess they kindda???