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 keith2468Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB | reply to Tzale
Re: Same with a lot of ISP's Spamcop.net, which I use, lets the customer pick and choose which nations, if any at all, are filtered in each mail box.
Put control in the hands of the customer. (And do not institute blank ethnic based filters on an opt-out basis.)
I don't have any contacts or friends in Nigeria, Brazil, China, or South Korea, so I filter those countries (there isn't enough spam from Poland or NZ to justify a filter).
If I had just a few such contacts, I could whitelist them.
If I had many, or if needed the abiltiy to accept email from any part of the world, I would simply not turn on the country filter.
Why can't Verizon do that?
1. Does not Verizon have the technical expertise?
2. Or does Verizon assume none of their customers deal outside the country?
3. Or does Verizon want to avoid the expense of providing email service to those Americans who have friends and business contacts overseas?
4. Or has Verizon made a racist mistake? Generating a rule that penalizes members of an entire racial group (Poles or Kiwis) on the basis of the behaviour of a few members in that group (in running insecure computers that (largely American) spam sponsors have managed to illegally acquire as mail relays. And then they made a second mistake in failing to correctly identify the countries of origin of most spam correctly.
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | said by keith2468:4. Or has Verizon made a racist mistake? With apologies to The Princess Bride:
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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keith2468Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
2 edits | reply to keith2468
Racist Defined For those who don't know what a race is:
»dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race
quote:
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
a) An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b) A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
And for racist:
»dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist
quote:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
So clearly people of any color or nationality can potentially be racist, when they look down upon or condemn other people on the basis of their nationality, ethnic group, country of residence, skin color, stature, etc.
Of course, being human, people most tend to notice racism when it is directed against our own group, and to fail to notice it when they/we are directing it against someone else.
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 TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro | said by keith2468:For those who don't know what a race is: » dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race quote:
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
a) An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b) A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
And for racist: » dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist quote:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
So clearly people of any color or nationality can potentially be racist, when they look down upon or condemn other people on the basis of their nationality, ethnic group, skin color, stature, etc. Of course, being human, people most tend to notice racism when it is directed against our own group, and to fail to notice it when they are directing it against someone else. Buddy, I don't think Verizon is being racist towards Poland or New Zealand. They just have a poor policy at punishing European countries for small amounts of SPAM. BTW: There is no "Polish" race. It's an ethnic group. Polish, German, English, Irish all are white. They have different ethnicities. For example people of Sweden, Finland, Northern Poland, Germany or any other Northern European nation people are overwhelming naturally blonde and have a very fair complexion compared to the rest of the world, while if you go to Southern Italy people have a more Mediterranean look. That is just an ethnic trait, not a race.
-Tzale
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keith2468Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
3 edits | In America people commonly talk of race as black, red and white, and sometimes yellow. And in much of the US, domestic racism is, I guess from watching PBS, done on that basis.
But in the actual English language, even the American version, the term is much broader. As you can see from the US based dictionary listing I posted. It quoted "The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition".
It is just that when someone is practicing racism, they don't see the term as applying.
I see the same thing where I live here. The locals don't see it as racism to say things about aboriginal Canadians (specifically Indians), or to treat them differently on the basis of their ethnic origin. This is the dominant kind of racism here, and most people are totally blind to it.
"It is what us folks do here, lots of us do it, therefore for it isn't racist."
Sadly, that many people are racist tends to be constant, just which group they are racist against seems to vary. At least from what I've seen in my life.
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