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cbrain (banned)
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD

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Re: FIOS Installation is a go in Montgomery County

Port 80 is closed. I tested it, then got confirmation from the FIOS support line.
fpgirard
join:2002-12-05
Bethesda, MD

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I tested this - I replaced the DLINK router with a netgear WGT624 which is operating really really well and did a port forwarding for 22, 25, 80, 110 and 143. The only port that failed was 80 - so then i spent the next 4 hours resetting the router and a bunch of other things like "telnet www.4girards.com 80" from other linux machines and it failed then i called verizon fios at 888.55.3.1555 and they confirmed it. what a shame!!! there is no mention of this port disabled in anything that i read (contract, terms, nada). but yea, it's disabled.

so here's the interesting part -it's not disabled for business fios but business fios is not yet available for Maryland yet. and from what i read, it will be an option with 5 static IP address and 15/2 for 100 bucks. Imagine if FIOS was available for a single static ip and 15/2 for 70 - i'd be ALL OVER THAT.
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I might also add the i'm regularly getting 13.2 down and 1.6 up. incredible....

p
nauticax
join:2001-02-27
Germantown, MD

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said by fpgirard:

I tested this - I replaced the DLINK router with a netgear WGT624 which is operating really really well and did a port forwarding for 22, 25, 80, 110 and 143. The only port that failed was 80 - so then i spent the next 4 hours resetting the router and a bunch of other things like "telnet www.4girards.com 80" from other linux machines and it failed then i called verizon fios at 888.55.3.1555 and they confirmed it. what a shame!!! there is no mention of this port disabled in anything that i read (contract, terms, nada). but yea, it's disabled.

so here's the interesting part -it's not disabled for business fios but business fios is not yet available for Maryland yet. and from what i read, it will be an option with 5 static IP address and 15/2 for 100 bucks. Imagine if FIOS was available for a single static ip and 15/2 for 70 - i'd be ALL OVER THAT.
That does suck. But can't you go around the port blocking with something like »www.dyndns.org/services/ ··· ywebhop/

I wish they offered a single static IP for a bit less too. $100 is just too much and especially if you don't need all the 5 ips.
fpgirard
join:2002-12-05
Bethesda, MD

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yup - no sense wasting 5 ip addresses if you only need 1 - you would think that verizon would want to capitalize on static ip addresses.

i'm trying my darndest to get feedback to them - making *some* progress.

Pascal
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Oh yea - i basically reconfigured my apache server to work on port 8080 - not too bad because now it will prevent some level of port 80 attacks.
pangolin19
join:2005-03-30
Rockville, MD

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Re: Rockville denied?

What does Rockville's denial of permits mean for people (like me)living in the RKVLMDRV area (301-294-xxxx) but outside the city limits? Since that CO is within the city limits, does the denial of permits make it impossible to lay fiber from the CO to the outlying areas? I am about 4 miles from the CO, so I can't get DSL either. I was hoping for FIOS so I wouldn't have to go to Comcast.
DonLibes

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said by pangolin19:

What does Rockville's denial of permits mean for people (like me)living in the RKVLMDRV area (301-294-xxxx) but outside the city limits? Since that CO is within the city limits, does the denial of permits make it impossible to lay fiber from the CO to the outlying areas? I am about 4 miles from the CO, so I can't get DSL either. I was hoping for FIOS so I wouldn't have to go to Comcast.
I suspect you are screwed. Rockville doesn't care where people live or get their service from. It's access to the right-of-way that they are denying.

By the way, three County Council members (the MFP committee) are having a hearing on the Verizon FIOS construction issues on April 11. It should be fun. I added this and some other related news to my blog that you might find interesting: »www.libes.com/don/blog

pstauff
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I am in the same boat. I am outside North Potomac and have the same CO as you. Even though I am about 4 miles from the CO, I have DSL 3/768. I am on a remote terminal. I want to go with FiOS when it comes out this way, but it seems Rockville wants to make a mountain out of a molehill. Come on Rockville Council!
pangolin19
join:2005-03-30
Rockville, MD

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Can you tell me who you get DSL from? I am trying to find out if there are any remote terminals near me. Thanks.
DonLibes

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said by pstauff:

I am in the same boat. I am outside North Potomac and have the same CO as you. Even though I am about 4 miles from the CO, I have DSL 3/768. I am on a remote terminal. I want to go with FiOS when it comes out this way, but it seems Rockville wants to make a mountain out of a molehill. Come on Rockville Council!
I'm not so sure you should dump on Rockville. If Verizon would take some responsibility and train their crews properly, I'm sure Rockville would happily change their position.
fpgirard
join:2002-12-05
Bethesda, MD

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Re: FIOS Installation is a go in Montgomery County

Another twist on ports, services, and servers.... it appears that FIOS users are NOT on the 'whitelist' of approved IP addresses that can use relay.verizon.net as an SMTP gateway. This has been a brewing issue on »Emails not getting through to my email account for international users and for Comcast dynamic IPs but now it appears that Verizon's own FIOS customers are not able to send email from their own SMTP servers to customers with an @verizon.net address. "telnet relay.verizon.net 25" fails altogether. Bummer.

Someone's gonna have to fix this.
cbrain (banned)
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD

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said by fpgirard:

... it appears that FIOS users are NOT on the 'whitelist' of approved IP addresses that can use relay.verizon.net as an SMTP gateway. This has been a brewing issue on »Emails not getting through to my email account for international users and for Comcast dynamic IPs but now it appears that Verizon's own FIOS customers are not able to send email from their own SMTP servers to customers with an @verizon.net address.
I can send email to verizon.net directly from smtp on fios IP or relay off my office server. I can not relay mail from my smtp server off Verizon servers from FiOS IP's. I was able to relay off Comcast servers from Comcast IP's. Even though Verizon doesn't block, sending email directly from residential IP's is blocked by so many it is no longer useful.

I have attempted to change my BBR email to my verizon.net address. The BBR confirmation email consistently fails to arrive. While waiting for this confirmation I can successfully receive from other domains. I can change BBR to several other domains and get confirmation immediately. I notice email clients often fail to contact verizin mail servers when polling. Because of these problems I have not started using my Verizon account.
jmazza1
join:2002-01-09
Bethesda, MD

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Re: FIOS Installation is a go in Montgomery County, MD

I just signed up for FIOS today and will have it installed in early May (due to my schedule limitations, not theirs). I'm in 301-469-xxxx and have been limited to 384/384 DSL due to my distance from the CO, and have been paying a heavy premium for that package (with a dialup backup).

Since we have two home offices in the house and four phone lines coming in (only two are Verizon, the others are AT&T) we'll be keeping our copper for now. In fact, the rep on the phone specifically asked if we have a burglar alarm because some of them require copper lines to work properly. I thought that was interesting.

She also discussed with me the power issues with optic fiber. We were so burned by the thunderstorms and loss of power when Isabel came through (we're at the end of a feeder line, and someone up the line just hiccups and we lose power) that we've put in a whole house generator (20kV) enough to power everything in the house. I think this means that we should be ok with the UPS that comes with the system.

I do have a question, however, since I opted for the wireless router. This router apparently has 4 ports in the back for wired computers. Do the technicians help to "secure" the network for wireless use? I don't know how to go about doing that, but wouldn't want any information I'm accessing to be available to people outside the network.

Thanks.

Judy
Robert Morrisson
join:2000-03-31
Silver Spring, MD

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Re: FIOS Installation is a go in Montgomery County

Have you tried opening the port on the router? There are settings for specific ports and specific programs.
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Re: FIOS Installation is a go in Montgomery County, MD

FiOS signs are popping up around the neighborhood. It looks as if Verizon is doing a good selling job.

I don't know how they will recoup their costs. If you just replace DSL they get almost nothing. Of course, if they entice cable customers to switch they will do very well, especially with that 15 / 2 option available.

I suspect they have the installation process down to a science by now. Ours took 7.5 hours and it was pretty basic but the crew had to figure a lot of things out.

They will pull a run to the primary computer or the router. In my case, that was through a piece of Interduct using a fish line that was already in place. That was a 2 minute job. Then it took them 15 minutes to mount the RJ-45 jack. It seems the little box they used had an insert for the jack and it was the wrong type.

SO far the service has been excellent. We were down about 20 minutes one night. I called and they checked with the local office, which was working on the equipment. This is not unusual in a network environment, and it certainly beats the 3-4 failures a week we were having with Comcast.
nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD

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Re: Rockville denied?

said by pstauff:

... I am outside North Potomac and have the same CO as you. Even though I am about 4 miles from the CO, I have DSL 3/768. I am on a remote terminal. ...
I live in North potomac also, but apparently not close enough or not served off of the remote terminal you are on - NO DSL FOR ME! - never been able to get anything from verizon except ISDN. Beginning to think I will never get any broadband service from verizon; they seem to have written off the whole area I live in.

how long have you had DSL from verizon?
ferneau
join:2005-04-04
Potomac, MD

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I contacted the city of Rockville and this was their response:
Dear Mr. xxx:

I am taking this opportunity to follow-up with you regarding your inquiry into Verizon's installation of its fiber-to the-premises (FTTP) project in parts of Montgomery County. The Information and Technology Department has reviewed your request and provided the following information in response.

The City has not made a denial to Verizon. Verizon, thus far, has declined to enter into the standard agreement required of telecommunications companies before obtaining permits to work in the City's right-of-way. The agreement protects the City and its residents from the damage, safety problems, and disruptions that sometimes accompany the installation of new cables and wires. Verizon's installation of fiber optic cable in parts of Montgomery County has resulted in reported traffic and transportation problems and disruptions, safety problems, damage to public and private property, and damage to existing utilities. Also, there have been many reports that the company and its contractors have not provided advanced notice to motorists and property owners of work that will cause damage and disruption. These problems and the resulting complaints from residents have prompted the Montgomery County Council's Management and Fiscal Policy Committee to schedule an April 11 work session on the reported problems.

Verizon has just recently indicated to the City that it may be willing to reconsider their decision. Verizon also has indicated that in the future, it intends to provide cable television services over the new fiber. The City has invited and encouraged Verizon to immediately begin negotiating the necessary cable television franchise. While Verizon has negotiated cable television franchise agreements with jurisdictions in other areas of the country, it has not yet accepted the City of Rockville's invitation. Negotiating and entering into a cable television franchise agreement immediately, before fiber cable installation begins, would supplant the standard right-of-way agreement. The City encourages and welcomes competitive telecommunications, information, and cable television services, however, the agreements mentioned above are essential tools for protecting the City's interests, its public property, and its residents.

City staff is continuing its efforts to reach an agreement with Verizon. There is an article on this issue in the current edition of Rockville Reports. The link to the on-line version is attached to this e-mail for your review. »www.rockvillemd.gov/resi ··· 0405.htm Rockville Reports will continue to provide updated information on this issue as it progresses.

If you should have further questions about this matter, please contact Doug Breisch, Cable and Telecommunications Coordinator, at dbreisch@rockvillemd.gov

We hope this information is helpful and informative. Thank you for your interest in this issue.

Sincerely,

Linda Moran
Council Support Specialist
City of Rockville
P: 240-314-8139
F: 240-314-8289
e-mail - lmoran@rockvillemd.gov
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jplynn
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Silver Spring, MD

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Re: FIOS Installation is a go in Montgomery County

I had my fios installed yesterday. It's verrrry fast!

JTRockville
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Re: Rockville denied?

Very interesting read.

Do you live in COR?

The Montgomery County MFP committee work session on April 11 is scheduled for 2:15. I wonder if county cable montgomery is going to broadcast it.

I've been thinking about contacting my council representative to see if there's a similar holdup for the RKVLMDMR Rockville, Montrose Road central office (not in COR). Maybe I'll just show up to the worksession instead.

PGHammer
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Accokeek, MD

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Re: FIOS Installation is a go in Montgomery County, MD

If you're running Windows (2000 or XP) you'll want to turn WEP and SSID *on* for the wireless computers. (This is actually the default starting with Service Pack 2.) This both encrypts the connection and allows for SSID auto-negotiation. On the router end, you will want to set up an allowed SSID table, which boots unfamiliar SSIDs (so neighbors can't leech off your wireless network). This is covered in the documentation for your router.
bbarrett0
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Germantown, MD

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Re: Rockville denied?

The County has published the handout for the April 11 MFP committee meeting on the service and safety issues concerning Verizon's FIOS digging. It's available here:

»www.montgomerycountymd.g ··· fp02.pdf

JTRockville
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Looks like the April 11 MFP meeting isn't scheduled for broadcast on CCM.

* grumbles *
Parking at the council building is going to be a royal drag in the middle of the afternoon.
DonLibes

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said by JTRockville:

Looks like the April 11 MFP meeting isn't scheduled for broadcast on CCM.

* grumbles *
Parking at the council building is going to be a royal drag in the middle of the afternoon.
If it fills up, you could park in front of the Regal movies. That won't fill up in the middle of the day. And a block or two north of that is the parking lot for the old Giant - it's free.

JTRockville
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Thanks!
DonLibes

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said by bbarrett0:

The County has published the handout for the April 11 MFP committee meeting on the service and safety issues concerning Verizon's FIOS digging. It's available here:

»www.montgomerycountymd.g ··· fp02.pdf
Thanks for pointing that out. I've added it to a new posting to my blog which has some other related material you might find interesting.

»www.libes.com/don/blog

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Re: FIOS Installation is a go in Montgomery County, MD

your still not sure if were doing this for real? its very real. so real that if this doesnt work, im going to be looking for a new job real.

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Re: FIOS Installation is a go in Montgomery County

im sure its possible (as long as a conductor that small can handle enough power to do that) but i work for vz and i dont ever see that happening. buy yourself a generator people, judging from the size and price of the houses of where weve been installing this stuff, no doubt you can afford one.
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i disagree, again its possible. i know for fact a vz tech was killed in a co a few years ago by power backfed on a pots line while working on the frame. personally i think its too dangerous and highly unlikely. as i said before i work for vz, i havent heard any discussion of this. i believe the idea is to completely jettison copper once the penetration of fios gets to a certain point.
meb (banned)
join:2002-12-12
Potomac, MD

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said by DonLibes:

Thanks for pointing that out. I've added it to a new posting to my blog which has some other related material you might find interesting.

»www.libes.com/don/blog

- "Jane Lawton, MC Cable Administrator, finally gave the word - Verizon has officially approached the county to begin negotation for providing video service. There should be no question now - Verizon will seek a "cable" franchise in order to provide service in the county." -
Cable companies are regulated by the county but can provide internet access with little regulation and VoIP with no regulation. Verizon already has copper and fiber to the home for phone and internet. Lots of regulation but I don’t think from the county. If Discovery Channel offered to stream their programs over the internet or as a special offering only over FiOS, would they need a county cable franchise? How about if Direct TV or Dish network did the same? Why does the county have authority over Verizon offerings on existing lines? If Verizon provided their video only over the internet, what authority would the county have?