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Vchat20
Landing is the REAL challenge
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join:2003-09-16
Columbus, OH
reply to Simmer911

Re: Skype is nothing but hype...

i got to agree with the original poster's opinion on this. skype is just hype imho. nothing more than every other voice chat program available (teamspeak, msn, aim, yahoo, etc..).

personally, i myself like free world dialup. itc completely free. and although it still doesnt do "true" pc to phone calling, they do have partnerships with big voip companies such as vonage and packet8 so you can call packet8 and vonage users and they can call you all for free. you can also get a virtual phone number from libretel (although limited area codes available) so regular landline users can still call. you also get free toll free number calling.

to me, fwd has a hell of alot more going for it than skype can hope for in its lifetime.


voiplover
Premium
join:2004-05-28
Portsmouth, NH

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reply to Simmer911

Re: Wrong and misleading topic headings!

said by Simmer911:


Look...what I said in my original post was based on fact. You can only call other users of Skype for free and if you want to call people outside of Skype, then you have to pay for it. I merely offered my opinion on this service. I am sure if you have a lot of friends that use Skype, then it is great to use. But for the average newbie to VOIP it is not something I would reccommend. Most people do not want only a PC to PC solution and would rather use thier traditional phones in thier house as well as being able to use thier home wiring as well to set up thier phone service. Bottom line--for the average new user wanting to look into getting VOIP service; I would not reccommend Skype.
Well, I (and probably the developers of skype) would have to agree with what you just posted. Thank you.
Unfortunately, in choosing a Header 'You leaped before you looked'. Please do a little research next time. Skype is not advertised or intended as a voip replacement for Pots. It is called Skype not voip. It is designed for peer to peer communications over the internet. They also offer on a pay per minute basis termination to pots (skype out).
I feel that your header "Skype is nothing but hype..." is misleading and maybe slanderous, and if you had any integrity you would edit it. (At least it rhymed.)
That's my opinion, and not intended to be a flame. I hope you get the point.

Test99
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join:2003-04-24
San Jose, CA
kudos:1
I agree with voiplover. Maybe an analogy would help. It's as if simmer thought he was ordering a puppy. But when he opened the cage, a kitten came out. This is clearly an error condition. simmer's error message was, in effect, "Defective puppy". Some of us believe the error message should have read: "Ordered wrong animal."
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Simmer911
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join:2005-01-12
Chelsea, AL
I would never order a defective puppy...I would have it genetically altered to be absoloutely perfect!! LOL!
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Matt3
All noise, no signal.
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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reply to Vchat20

Re: Skype is nothing but hype...

said by Vchat20:


you can also get a virtual phone number from libretel (although limited area codes available) so regular landline users can still call. you also get free toll free number calling.
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craigsn

join:2004-08-16
Kent, WA
reply to ceocio
I have an AMD Athlon 2500+ w/ 1gb ram, separate sound card (can't remember the brand, but a middle of the road one), and it works fine, running Win XP Pro SP2.

I've got Skype on a Mac Dual Proc G5 as well. I guess I'll try it from there and see how it works, but since that isn't my main machine, I don't use it often.

Craig

magbayross

join:2005-02-01
Danby, VT
reply to Simmer911

Re: Wrong and misleading topic headings!

For whatever it's worth...

Yes, Skype is free when calling other Skype users....if you want to call someone on their regular telephone you will pay a fee, a very small fee. I call New Zealand from my Skype account and it cost's me about 7 cents/min...Now, that same call using AT&T or someone else will run 40-50 cents a minute. Dahhhhh....

muppetmaster

join:2002-10-22
Barcelona
reply to voiplover
Do you ever not complain about posts? Stay on topic.

Beetle_B

join:2004-12-29
reply to craigsn

Re: Skype is nothing but hype...

I would agree that Skype is easy to get running, but will disagree about the audio quality being the best.


YMMV.

I live in the US, and have been wanting to call a friend in Pakistan for years (last time I met him in person was in 1997).

Over the years, we both had dialup, and tried everything - including Yahoo IM and MSN Messenger. Sound quality was just not good enough. So we never got anywhere

Then recently, I realized that I had broadband and that we never tried it after I got high speed Internet. So I suggested we try again. He's still on dialup.

Yahoo IM sucked. As did MSN Messenger.

We almost gave up, as Skype is something like a 10MB download (big for dialup). But he downloaded it anyway, and we tried the next day.

We spoke for 4 hours and 20 minutes (actually, four hours and 45 minutes with breaks). It dropped once or twice, but we just reconnected anyway. Sound quality was superb. Lag, if any, was not noticed. Absolutely NO dropped packets. I heard EVERYTHING he said and likewise. The only complaint was with his mic - it picked up too much background noise.

Not to say it was as good as phone quality. Voice was sort of dull.

The next day and the day after we did about 2 hours each.

Again, YMMV. A friend of mine (who also has broadband) calls someone else (also in Pakistan, also using dialup), and usually gets better quality with MSN.


vonsen
Just Because
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reply to Simmer911
We could agree to disagree. If someone gets better quality with msn than skype, it is contrary to my experience, but the bottom line is that they found something that works with them. Use whatever works best for you. My objections centered around the original poster's premise that skype is "nothing but hype" which IMO, is BS. For whatever reason he was expecting skype to seemlessly tie into PSTN and upset when it didn't. Which in no way jives with his subject line. Where are the skype claims that it is a pstn replacement rather than internet telephony? Skype does what it was designed to do well. You can't blame a dog for not being a cat. If you don't like it, don't use it.


John Galt
Forward, March
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join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
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said by vonsen:

You can't blame a dog for not being a cat. If you don't like it, don't use it.
Every once in awhile, someone cuts "right to the heart of the matter'.

I think that is the end of this thread...!


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Elcabong
Cuba SI, Castro NO

join:2000-03-09
Philadelphia, PA
reply to Simmer911
HAve'nt any of you heard of FreeWorlddialup.com? Or Pulver.com? It offers the same thing and is compatible with skype

juanfermin

join:2004-10-18
Pompano Beach, FL
reply to craigsn
You must be joking about MSN being better quality.. let's see communications that go through MS servers, VS communications that go direct from my computer to the person who I'm calling. Which do you think would be better?

Test99
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join:2003-04-24
San Jose, CA
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reply to Elcabong
said by Elcabong:

HAve'nt any of you heard of FreeWorlddialup.com? Or Pulver.com? It offers the same thing and is compatible with skype
Sure we have heard of FWD. I don't propose it as a solution anymore because it is down too often. And at least for non-technical people, Skype seems to be easier to set up.

FWD and Skype compatible? I don't think so, unless you are reporting breaking news. Skype is not SIP-compatible.
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sgarrand
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join:2000-04-13
West Brookfield, MA
They are compatible in the sense that the Pulver Communicator and Skype allow IMing between each other. As of right now it's not a voice connection.

Scott

craigsn

join:2004-08-16
Kent, WA
reply to juanfermin
Well, it is for me. Maybe not you though.


vonsen
Just Because
Premium
join:2005-01-06
reply to Simmer911

Re: Is wireless possible with voip?

The thread that wouldn't die

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Jonbo298

join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA

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Free INTERNET Telephony. Catch those key words there? No where does it say Free Phone Calls (as your not using a phone to call someone )


TekWiz

@optonline.net
reply to Simmer911

Re: Skype is nothing but hype...

Well, I was previously pretty fascinated by these "Internet Calling" programs, but after getting SunRocket today, at $199 unlimited calling for the year, and hearing the quality being superior to my Verizon POTS, I don't see much value in these programs, except for calling people overseas who are also online, and even then, the SunRocket international prices and the $3 free per month, even make that kind of questionable... Talking on the phone has finally reached the next century...

TELCOS--Better hurry up and get those fiber optics to your customers or you'll be outta business in favor of the cable co.'s

Tek.


Simmer911
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join:2005-01-12
Chelsea, AL
reply to Jonbo298

Re: Is wireless possible with voip?

wow this thread is still going...I had no idea it would cause so a stir...
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Birds0

join:2004-10-23
reply to Simmer911

Re: Skype is nothing but hype...

One thing to keep in mind about Skype is that you are basically lending your bandwidth and computer to all the other Skype users on the net, letting them route their traffic through you.

If you block Skype at certain levels in your personal firewall you will see the firewall log fill up with in-coming connections from around the world. This takes place if you use either IM or VOIP.

z0n3

join:2005-02-02
reply to Simmer911

Re: Wrong and misleading topic headings!

Skype uses P2P (peer to peer) technology and not VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol). For the user this difference is quickly evident if you try to set up behind a harware firewall / router that uses NAT ( Network address translation). Programs such as MSN Messenger may have considerable problems with audio behind the NAT - Skype on the other hand is quick to set up, has encrypted audio, and excellent sound quality - especially if your sound card is full duplex. It's not a lot of effort to get your friends to install skype (installation is simple enough even for technophobes). All you need other than that is a microphone (better still a combo mic. and headphones and you're hands free) The computer to desktop-phone does cost something but it's peanuts compared to long distance (continent to continent) rates via POTS.

z0n3

join:2005-02-02
reply to Birds0

Re: Skype is nothing but hype...

sorry folks - my last post went out under the wrong subject heading. It was, off course, about Skype

blacksurfer

join:2002-07-14
Sherman Oaks, CA
reply to Simmer911
I LOVE SKYPE!!! If you make alot of international calls to your family in far off countries and pay alot per minute, then Skype is a godsend! Other voice chat programs such as MSN were easily blocked by ISPs, but Skype calls go thru, are clear, and are FREE! We talk for hours free to Belize every month!

geister

join:2005-02-02
Beverly Hills, CA
reply to Simmer911
said by Simmer911:

Well I have seen people talk about some "free" VOIP services online and this is one I have heard a lot about. So I download it and try to make a call. Apparently it is free only to other Skype users but you have to buy credits to call anyone who does not use Skype.
It blatently says it is free internet telephony...well free to other users of thier product I guess....any other so called "free" VOIP services I should try. The first one I went with was what I thought...too good to be true.
Here is a perfect example of "you cannot please everyone!." Skype is free. Software is free and so are the calls using Skype. When was the last time anyone pumped out such a great program at the price they provide it? (WHICH IS FREE) I seriously think that people like Simmer911 should refrain from posting messages at the expense of sounding like and idiot. Skype functions like a communication suite with file transfer, instant messaging and voice communication capabilities. While doing all this, it uses a really strong encryption too. Works from behind firewall with no problems. If you think that is a small feat, please be quiet. Yeah they may charge some money for added functionality. But hey... even programmers gotta eat too!


TekWiz

@optonline.net
Yeah, anytime someone puts out a great program for free that is really a super-duper wonderful and excellent thing! Skype is a fantastic program, and the fact that so many people love it is proof that it is.

Due to the arrival of free calling with VoIP services in the U.S. the use of Skype here is not such a very big bargain anymore. You can't compete with free calling after all.

International is another story. The VoIP still charge something for international although some countries are very cheap. Still that's not free.

Unfortunately in some countries like South-Africa the dialup/internet rates are so high, that telephony programs are useless because it costs so much for just a local phone call to the ISP.

To open up the world there must be some sort of cheap satellite hookup that anyone can deploy from inside their home .

Tek.

sipcpe
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Seattle, WA
reply to Simmer911
What if you had a device that could forward your Skype calls out to your local PSTN? eg and ring your mobile when you are out.

What if you had a GSM/Wifi cell phone with embedded skype client so you could make/receive your skype calls from hotspot while traveling in airports, etc?

What if you had a cordless/skype combo phone so you could roam around the house with your cordless handset and see your skype contacts status on the handset and make and receive your skype and pstn calls from the one cordless handset.

Would any of the above products (all coming soon eg a Vtech USB 7100 in your local Walmart Store $150 with two handsets)change the value propositition for Skype verse Sip softphone?

The point is Skype is doing one thing for sure better than all the SIP softphone companies. They have a free open API for third party hardware developers. Personally I believe all thing equal (voice quality, bandwidth, etc) this alone (open API) may very well drive Skype way ahead of the rest very soon. The Taiwan hardware developers are working overtime developing devices for Skype so you will no longer be tied to your computer to use it. I am afraid the SIP softphone guys have already missed the boat.

tj008

join:2004-06-24
Cincinnati, OH
These coming-to-a-store-near-you products are very exciting. Any product that gets one away from the computer being on is very important. Thats why im not much into softphones.

Here is the problem with Skype and SIP to some point:

Who among you are trying, dragging, pulling their friends and family to, first of all, get broadband? Then, are they the same family and friends fighting you tooth and nail in getting any form of voip or skype? They question you -why do i have to get this or that box? its pretty expensive. or Skype what?

You can explain FREE only so much until free is not so free - "how much does it cost?" again comes up.

Its nice to see over a million people using skype. but I can bet you that those 1 million people are the same ones that are "up" on anything that is new. Lets see how many people in this world have a computer AND have broadband? I have found that in my circle of friends and family and the next ring of their family and friends, they are not interested until the technology is easy and is available at costco, walmart, target and the like. And then its like they found "manna from heaven".

So, for me, voip is the way to go. saves me money as i talk to the bone-heads of my world! :D



TekWiz

@optonline.net
What is the dream? To cut out all the "Telcos" completely out of the picture and use P2P telephony exclusively? Will this every happen?

Tek.


vonsen
Just Because
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join:2005-01-06

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reply to sipcpe
said by sipcpe:


What if you had a device that could forward your Skype calls out to your local PSTN? eg and ring your mobile when you are out.
Skype already rings my voip line when there is an incoming skype call. And of course I can make a skype call from my handset, not just the PC, although the latter is really nice when travelling. And I can also access skype or voip from my cell to avoid cellular long distance charges. The hardware is available, just not everyone is aware of it, although with 1.2 million users skype usage is already surpassing vongage + lingo + broadvox + at&t + p8 + VP combined.

Perhaps one of the incumbent commercial voip operators should talk to skype to see if routing skype calls through their pstn gateways, rather than 'skype out' is attractive. That might make skype a bit more mainstream. It wouldn't take much to leverage skype out in front of the other offerings. It'll be interesting to see if it happens.

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