| No sympathy. Theft is theft, plain and simple. Everyone can argue how merciless RIAA and MPAA are.. The fact remains that ( more then likely ) some total idiot thinks ' I'm getting all this music for free! How wonderful! '.
I don't think too many of us here would drive out autos up a busy 1 way street going against traffic. Not because its against the law, but because we know a head-on collision will result in damage to our vehicles as well as ourselves.
The REASON RIAA and MPAA get away with this tactic is due to the idiots whom do NOT read terms of service agreements.
These same individuals are the ones whom have a broadband connection, no firewall, no virus protection and have never heard of spyware.
I for-see a ' license for broadband ' in the future. Its a terribly sad thing but people fail to RTFM all too much in todays times.
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| said by JacksGhost:Theft is theft, plain and simple. Everyone can argue how merciless RIAA and MPAA are.. The fact remains that ( more then likely ) some total idiot thinks ' I'm getting all this music for free! How wonderful! '. I don't think too many of us here would drive out autos up a busy 1 way street going against traffic. Not because its against the law, but because we know a head-on collision will result in damage to our vehicles as well as ourselves. The REASON RIAA and MPAA get away with this tactic is due to the idiots whom do NOT read terms of service agreements. These same individuals are the ones whom have a broadband connection, no firewall, no virus protection and have never heard of spyware. I for-see a ' license for broadband ' in the future. Its a terribly sad thing but people fail to RTFM all too much in todays times. jAX Rules are meant to be broken. If sharing = sharing then giving = giving? ugh, you either play by their rules or not. Their is no wrong and right in life rather who is stronger and scarier 
Like a lion vs a sheep, who is going to win?
Heh, answer that one genius one.
lol..ok, i think i'll take a hike for awhile now since their is nothing I say that will get through to your thick, very thick skull. it would take me manys year to dig through it through peer pressure and even the media itself will oneday say p2p is good! is legal, is freedom.
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What does driving or reading the terms of service have to do with the lawsuits?? I fail to see the relationship between to the 2. I have yet heard of any pirates who were killed for downloading a Brittney spears song.
RIAA and MPAA gets away with this type of crap is because we let them. What if they sued you when you never shared a song in your life?? Have fun shelling out the money to pay for that lawyer and as well as proving your the actual person behind the IP. What's the alternative? paying the 3k settlement fee. What if I came over and broke into your firewall and used the internet to share pirated songs? Don't give me that bullshit about how your perfect firewall is gonna protect you. There are bugs in software and holes in security its a fact of life. If someone is out there to get you its only a matter time before he works into your system. Granted most normal people won't go into such a extent to break into your system, however I hate to be you when you find out that some one actually did. Because to the RIAA and MPAA your just a IP and the person behind the IP doesn't matter as long as your willing to shell out the money and settle.
Most of these people who were sued rather shell out the 3k then to be sued into bankruptcy. The problem is that the laws are no longer on the side of the people instead they are on the side with the most money. |
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What if I came over and broke into your firewall and used the internet to share pirated songs?
I have to admit that scares the heck out of me. I have all the latest patches, use an NAT router, think I'm protected but it could happen. I would assume that if it does you hitch up your pants and fight (because you did nothing wrong). They have to prove the files were downloaded to your computer and if there are none then no proof exists. I guess the fact that none of these suits actually went to trial this has never occured, but you never know.
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"RIAA and MPAA gets away with this type of crap is because we let them. "
BINGO! These people GIVE them the ability to sue. Maybe not even knowing. Why is this? They fail to inform themselves.
"What does driving or reading the terms of service have to do with the lawsuits?? I fail to see the relationship between to the 2."
The reason we don;t drive up 1 way streets is because we KNOW what the outcome will be. Terms of service and even part of the agreements with p2p software state bluntly ' you might be breaking the law.. ' ( in different words with the same meaning ).
If Ma and Pa Jones had a teen kid trading copywritten material and they KNEW the consequences and all the malarkey that came along with the ' Harassment ' from RIAA and MPAA, do you honestly think tehy would give their kids free reign to trade as they pleased.. I doubt it. |
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"Rules are meant to be broken."
Lets go out and shoot people then.
"If sharing = sharing then giving = giving?"
Would you give your paycheck to the next person that replies in this thread? Why not? Its yours to give. What if someone else gave away your paycheck.. Would that be fair?
"Heh, answer that one genius one."
For the wiseass you are, you don't quite know whom your speaking with.
"lol..ok, i think i'll take a hike for awhile now since their is nothing I say that will get through to your thick, very thick skull."
Actually, Its quite thin. Being in the military all those years made me quite understanding for seeing things as they are, not the anarchy you and several others might wish it to be. Remember, when your talking shit, you might be saying it to those that EARNED and bled for your even having it.
"it would take me manys year to dig through it through peer pressure and even the media itself will oneday say p2p is good! is legal, is freedom. "
Some things SHOULD be traded. If you create a program or record a few tunes and they are YOUR work, freely distribute them as YOU see fit. If you wish compensation for your works while others are giving them away, thats not fair at all and I would be the first to defend your right to collect such compensations.
Tis best to have a thick skull with a brain in it then to flame others without even knowing their stance or what they are about. I'm sure you know that, 'Genius one'.
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"What if I came over and broke into your firewall and used the internet to share pirated songs? "
You would be a thief in more then one way.
"Don't give me that bullshit about how your perfect firewall is gonna protect you"
I mentioned nothing of a firewall. What you ( as well as others ) are failing to grasp is the RIAA and MPAA are going after folks that haven't educated themselves in tehse afairs.
YOU mentioned firewall, How many of those trading filkes have a virus scanner? or a spyware removal tool on their pc? I bet you half the Techs that visit this site will say ' Maybe 25% '.
"There are bugs in software and holes in security its a fact of life. "
Agreed. Nothing is fullproof nor perfect.
"Granted most normal people won't go into such a extent to break into your system, however I hate to be you when you find out that some one actually did."
From working for an ISP and having obver half the calls I fielded being related to spyware, virilli, people whom don't even know that Internet Explorer is a ' web browser '... Do you really think the masses know whats illegal/legal? Do you think they have ever even heard of the RIAA or MPAA? Therein lies the problem.
"Because to the RIAA and MPAA your just a IP and the person behind the IP doesn't matter as long as your willing to shell out the money and settle. "
Your correct.
What everyone here is failing to grasp from what I wrote is the following :
Untill people educate themselves and have a clue as to the legalities of p2p file trading, copywrite and infringement thereof, everyone is going to be bullied by them.
Until enough people stand up and change the current laws, We all might as well be lemmings.
"The problem is that the laws are no longer on the side of the people instead they are on the side with the most money."
Yep. Thats why crying about a firewall or calling someone thick skulled wont change anything and really shows people their mentality. The best thing to do is tell people how it ' really is ' . The gentlemans post which started this thread was very informative.. If only others would offer to spread the word of his message and explain it to the ' lemmings ' or unknowing. The more folks realise ' how it is ' and keep things civil and in the limelight, RIAA and MPAA's money doesn't look as good to those whom need votes.
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said by JacksGhost:Theft is theft, plain and simple. Actually I take a pretty strong exception to music sharing violating copyright law (which is actually copyright infringement and not theft... been ruled that way by the courts since the 80's). The RIAA is using grey areas in the wording of copyright law to make it sound like they are in the right and they are the victims. Fact of the matter is this whole issue is still open for clarification.
First you have the tenets of copyright infringement that state whether or not you are profiting from your unauthorized endeavor. Forget distribution only because that's supposed to come into play when the copyright holder is experiencing a serious hit on their livelihood (which has yet to happen in all these years of P2P). Not every time a song is passed on. The RIAA representative already admits trading a CD with a friend is okay. Their logic is already flawed by this admission.
Second you have a couple of sections in copyright law that contradict what the RIAA is saying. I believe they are sections 1004 and 1008. They essentially state once royalties have been paid on a particular item they can't charge for them again and that no action can be brought on distribution for noncommercial use by a consumer.
Sure you have some of those idiots that say, ' I'm getting all this music for free! How wonderful! ', but there are fewer of those lame ducks out there than there are buying customers. If that weren't the case the music industry would have taken a serious nosedive if you believe the FUD the RIAA has been spouting. Yet that hasn't happened. Sales are up in spite of increased file trading. Also it's interesting that not a single case has gone to court. Not one out of thousands. There is no way all of those settled out of court. |
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