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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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Tallahassee, FL | reply to Dragasoni
Re: 94.9 ZETA said by Dragasoni:No offense to the spanish, but don't they have enough freakin'' stations and TV channels??? There are like 5 spanish channels on my cable. Why do I have to pay for those? I don't speak or understand spanish, nor do I care to see or hear their programming. This is a America people! When Europeans came to this country back in the 1800's and 1900's, they LEARNED English and learned our culture. They were PROUD to be American! Sure, they kept some of their own culture, but it seems like the spanish people whin when things are not catered to them in SPANISH. I don't mean to rant, but I'm just tired of it. Maybe it's because I was born in America... By the way, I don't know if this whole 93.1 is permanent. If you go to » party931.com/ it mentions that Party 93.1 will be back. -Dragasoni- I actually quite enjoy all the spanish around me. I grew up in Tallahassee where the racism is high (had race riots as my school one time too) and so was the ignorance and xenophobia.
Here I get to live with and interact with different cultures more often. People in general are much less racist and much more understanding and tolerable to cultures they don't understand.
I live in an the middle house of a townhouse. On one side are Puerto Ricans and on the other Vietnamese. Only two of the Vietnamese speak English, all the Puerto Ricans do but they prefer Spanish. Their preference of another language does not inconvenience me in any way and I don't make it bother me.
They can have their TV, it's just as bad as *cough* white TV so I choose not to watch either. They can have the radio because the whole damn dial sucks either way.
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All fairly OT: First off, I understand your feelings, but to add to what Maxo  has already stated:
said by Dragasoni:
but don't they have enough freakin'' stations and TV channels??? "they" may disagree.
said by Dragasoni:
Why do I have to pay for those? Good question. "A la cart" channel selection for each customer's "package" (beyond mandatory provision of some thing a bit more encompassing than the basic terrestrial stations) seems reasonable.
said by Dragasoni:
I don't speak or understand spanish, nor do I care to see or hear their programming. Understood. But, both being limited to one language, AND not caring to see or hear "their" programming is _your_ (and my) loss, which, of course, you, I, and others are free to choose.
said by Dragasoni:
They were PROUD to be American! Again, I know what you mean, but two points:
Hundreds of millions of folks do not live in the USA, but do live in countries were the predominant language is NOT English (it may be Spanish, Portuguese....), yet they too are all "Americans", and may be just as PROUD as you.
Here in the U.S.A's portion of the Americas, selection of content in languages other than what _you_ (or I) understand, want and desire, does not indicate in any way that anyone is any more, or less, "PROUD to be American!", or a citizen of the U.S.A., than you (or I) are.
said by Dragasoni:
I don't mean to rant, but I'm just tired of it. Maybe it's because I was born in America... Maybe. I would guess there is more to it than just country of birth. Tens of millions of other folks were also born in the USA, yet somehow manage to exhibit far greater tolerance, and understanding of diversity than shown above.
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said by Dragasoni: By the way, I don't know if this whole 93.1 is permanent. If you go to » party931.com/ it mentions that Party 93.1 will be back. To Clear Channel, Infinity and their ilk, Unit (Station) "Format" (the "content" that they are still inconveniently forced to air in between advertisements) is as permanent as smoke. Maximizing ROI (mostly consisting of outrageously inflated purchase prices for "Outlets"), through maximizing Ad Rates, through maximizing Arbitron Ratings, through what ever (including demographic drill-down) is ALL that matters. There is zero loyalty to listeners. Listeners thinking they are any more than "Less Than Zero" to these entities just don't get it, yet.
Like wise, erudite, and festive Maxo said: said by maxo:
They can have their TV, it's just as bad as *cough* white TV so I choose not to watch either. They can have the radio because the whole damn dial sucks either way. That the broadcast spectrum belongs to us all, and needs to be reclaimed, goes to the heart of this topic, yet is a huge one in itself.
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Anyway, HAPPY BIRTHDAY Dragasoni !
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| Please let's not drag this off-topic by discussion Spanish stations and their merits. It's obvious that there's money to be make by broadcasting to a Spanish-speaking audience. And where there's money, the companies will go. 
The state of radio and broadcasting in general seems to get a bit sadder each day as things become more formulaic and generic. These switches are all an indication of radio's soul dying. | |
4 edits | said by Mospaw:
Please let's not drag this off-topic by discussion Spanish stations and their merits. That occurred with the post that I, and apparently Maxo , both felt should not remain unanswered, despite (or because of?) it's "No offense to the Spanish, but..." preface.
Since I can obviously barely deal with English, and know only very limited booze oriented Spanish, I responded only to address the perhaps somewhat innocent, yet seemingly unpleasant views expressed there-in.
I respectfully request that we not drag this off-topic by discussing Spanish stations, and their merits or their demerits, [edit: especially with respect to their listeners], other than perhaps that Clear Channel, Infinity... local broadcasting units that are currently in a "Spanish" music format phase, probably are playing crappy "Spanish" music as well (which is what Maxo was saying).
said by Mospaw:
The state of radio and broadcasting in general seems to get a bit sadder each day as things become more formulaic and generic. These switches are all an indication of radio's soul dying. Sad, and true. FM rescued radio in the late 60's and early seventies, until over commercialization destroyed most of it. Non-commercial FM (College, community...) rescued it again, until much of it too has been co-opted once again. Last time I checked there was only ONE non-commercial, non-government supported (through the CPB) legal radio network left in the entire country, and that was almost lost to MORization, in an epic battle, not all that long ago.
For those interested in actually learning (new music, new artists, new ideas...), and not already completely calcified (most probably at the "phase" they were in around the time that they ended their formal education), the commercial end of the spectrum has been an almost complete waist land for many years, with much of the non-commercial end devolving as well.
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»www.sun-sentinel.com/features/li···nt.story
Rock idealism crumbles as stations flip formats
By Phoebe Flowers
Film Writer
February 27, 2005
"It's time for us all to realize this undeniable truth: Rock music, particularly good rock music, is in heavy decline." -- Feb. 15 editorial in the Hurricane , the student newspaper of the University of Miami
The reaction since monolithic Clear Channel Communications decided earlier this month to make rock stalwart WZTA-FM Zeta 94.9 into a Latin radio station has been, to put it mildly, hysterical. E-mails have poured into the Sun-Sentinel and other media outlets. As I write this, 12,364 signatures have been appended to a petition at www.petitiononline.com/zetazeta demanding the immediate reinstatement of the rock station. And WPYM-FM 93.1 abruptly changed its own format and name, from Party 93 to Rock 93, to try to fill the void.
The outcry might be commendable, were it not so completely and utterly irrelevant.
About a decade ago, I was aghast when 103.5 suddenly switched formats. As far back as I could remember, 103.5 had played reliable, solid rock; it was the station on which I dutifully listened to my first boyfriend's favorite song, Tesla's cover of Signs. It was all so wrong, so unfair, so corporate. As a teenager getting my ideas about white-collar rebellion from Pearl Jam's boycott of Ticketmaster, I genuinely believed a radio station being snatched up by a bigger company -- in that case, Paxson Communications Corp. -- was an outrage.
It would take a number of years, and a number of technological advances, for me to realize how futile it was to even bother to care.
Nine years ago, Clear Channel owned 36 stations throughout the country. Now, it is the largest U.S. radio broadcaster, with 1,200 stations blanketing every state. Fifteen of those are in the tri-county area.
The idea that you can listen to a radio station in any market, but South Florida in particular, that is playing music its DJs or owners actually like or care about is naïve at best. And so, if you like or care about music, the last thing you should be doing is listening to these corporate radio stations that switch their formats as often as the market (apparently) demands it.
"How will we know what's going on in the rock world?" asked a reader in an e-mail reprinted by TV/radio writer Tom Jicha in a Feb. 16 story about the backlash. My question is, how does what is going on in the rock world have anything to do with a station like Zeta?
One of the biggest stars in indie rock, Bright Eyes frontman Conor Oberst, has been outspoken about his contempt for the homogenizing nature of Clear Channel; he won't allow any of his songs to be played on radio stations they own, nor will he perform in their myriad venues. Even if you believe that the music of Bright Eyes is self-indulgent emo tripe, Oberst's position represents a fair indictment.
The fear expressed above by the Hurricane, then, is baseless. The enduring quality of rock music has nothing to do with it losing a dubious showcase on a mediocre radio station. (I'm sorry, but Stone Temple Pilots does not represent the cutting edge of quality rock, nor does it count as "classic.")
If you want proof that good rock music is alive and well, and that there is a thriving market for it in South Florida, you only needed to be at the Wilco concert in Pompano Beach on Feb. 17, or at the Walkmen show in Miami the night after. And if you want to hear it on the radio, the answer is simple: You need to subscribe to satellite outlets Sirius or XM.
This isn't what many people want to hear, and sure, it's unfair that you can't get interesting, talented DJs playing music they're passionate about -- Sirius has no less than 17 distinct rock channels -- for free. But it is reality. And it's also the only way to guarantee that your favorite station isn't suddenly and cynically going to switch to an unholy musical mutant called "Hurban."
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Ms. Flowers unfortunately neglects to mention WKPX-FM 88.5 (and it's sub station WNSU), but apparently reads this forum, and took Bob Sanchez 's advice to sign up for that new fangled rocket rock thang 
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Too bad!, I used to listen to Zeta on line and when i was in the Miami area, Spanish music sucks, If I want to hear that crap I just got to pop my local dial, You are letting to turn Florida into Los Angeles! at least they got KRQO. Sad, sad, sad! | |
Kirby179
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | Point: If you listen to public access (and believe me, you're not paying to listen to the radio beyond the purchase of your automobile or stereo system, so IMO, it's public access from the accesser's standpoint) radio, you will put up with Clear Channel's idea of what you want. If you want what you want, get XM or Sirius.
Period.
When you pay for the service, you have a right to demand. When you are merely 'leeching' part of the EM spectrum to generate ad revenue for the bloated media monster, you have no say, nor do you have a standing for demanding loyalty, because you don't contribute anything more than ad revenue to these people. In reality, the fact that Zeta had to pull in Adam Cole (That's eh-dum coh-el) to be the 'savior' of 94.9 zeta, was kind of an indication. When was the last time you turned to zeta for any reason other than there isn't any other alt. rock station down here? 92.3 used to do rock, and 103.1; now they're...other stuff. enjoy 93.1 while it lasts, and Party may be back, but not on the same channel. Unless the rock format bombs out.
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I'm not in the Florida area, but I got tired of listening to the same old songs/ads etc. on most channels and usually listen to NPR now. There is also a couple of AM local channels that I listen to. FM, has gotten too staid (might want to try some AM, at least it's different )
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I've been here for 2 years. I do not speak English so good, but I love Rock and Roll. This is an interesting discussion and I would like to post my point of view.
This is still US, English is the official language and there is a culture here as there is a culture in every different country. I do not like the idea of Spanish music being the dominant in Dade and Broward, I do not like that when you try to practice your bad English and you speak to a bilingual person they switch to spanish just because you/me sounds like a latin.
I am proud to be a Cuban, a Latin, an American as someone sid cause yes we were born in this Continent too ...
Yes I am not an US Citizen but believe me I want to be an US Citizen not because I live here better than in my original country, not because we are starving there and we have food here or just because US is a development country and we don't , I want to be an American Citizen because I believe in Freedom. I think it is a shame to be an US Citizen and do not speak English, it is just a shame because they vote and they support every change in that country towards the convertion of US in a Spanish spoken/way of life country. Ask here in Dade County to people that have been here for more than 5 years, they are all US Citizens but most of them do not know English ... "SAD BUT TRUE" as James Hetfield would say ...
So Metallica does not come to Miami to give a concert, neither any other Rock group ... why?
I do not mind to live in a bilingual country like Canada, I think US can convert to a bilingual country but bilingual does not mean change ... it means add ...
Let us face also as inmigrants that US born people because of the History call themselves Americans while call Latin people just Latins or Latinos. They do not do that because of Xenofobia.
If you go to a foreign country you better adapt yourself to a new culture. If you are Native you better defend your culture.
Well all is about money yes, there are no many Americans eager to come to Miami to put RadioStations and there are enough wealthy latins here to go ahead and buy spectrum. We better do not blame Latins but maybe the Politics. US give Visas to wealthy people that sometimes even get money in their original countries in not a fair way, so do not surprise many of them behave bad here in US and they seem to be untouchable just because they have money and this is the culture in countries with partial or not freedom at all. Here in US it is supposed to have "Justice for All" yes I am a big Metallica FAN ...
So, you can like it or not but Politics is everywhere and specially here in Miami it is very strong. You cannot stop the fact that US is loosing a pice of land here. It is a shame and it sucks. I do my best from my position. I love this country, its History and the opportunity it has given to me. I know perfection does not exist. I have lived in 4 countries so far and money always rules what you here on the air, even cellular or TV business etc in one word Spectrum is about money.
Let us support 93.1 and if they become great to us and change tomorrow let's support the new dial that comes ... the important thing is to do our best supporting US culture.
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