amungusPremium
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Re: Silencing the Critics: ISearch/IDownload Cool, and isn't that whole response beautiful? Simply written, simply to the point. Yeah, it'd be funny to see if MS gets involved... Somehow I doubt the grey/crap ware folks of the net would try legal action on them!
Maybe this will help better define what "spyware" is and curb any further attempts by the racketeering greyspy folks to sneak around so much.
I can't believe these people would actually pay a lawyer to vouch for what they do!
Go castlecops, go spyware warrior. I also agree with everyone wishing the spyware community were more focused. As far as I can tell, the antivirus community has long been united, and shares info whenever they can. Spyware is newer, yes, but getting everyone on board will surely help even more. And, as much smack talk as some have on MS, their (Giant) Anti-Spy "community" idea is one of the best ways I've ever heard of to combat these threats.
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 richtigMusic Is EmotionPremium
join:2003-02-19
Australia | reply to eburger68
Andrew's definition of spyware at doxdesk is the best I have seen
»doxdesk.com/updates/2005.html#u20050207
No Spyware!
we have redefined spyware to mean ‘haddock’. Our software contains no haddock.
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 Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX | reply to richtig
said by richtig:» www.boingboing.net/2005/02/22/cl···amm.htmlThe entity which I am *not* referring to as "sms.ac"  threw an interesting legal threat at Joi Ito. He has published their threat (it is a Word document). Well worth a look. These guys are gangsters. BTW, if you signed up for their offer, all your "friends" in your address book will get spam too... While this may seem like a spam issue, the real problem here is the use of legal (or pseudo-legal?) threats. I knew it! What we're dealing with is what those anti
spam activists in the newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.email
call a "cart00ney". Legal threats coming from spammers
(and in this case also spyware vendors [I dare ya to sue
me, Mr. Hopkins!]) are always bogus and have no merit.
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join:2005-02-20
England | reply to eburger68
apologies if this link has already been posted.
its time for the privacy community to fight back
online petition against isearch scumware pervaiors!!
»www.petitiononline.com/mm23Feb4/···ion.html
link borrowed from wawadave down at spywarewarrior |
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KyeU
join:2003-12-31
Canada | Vote No on the petition.
No = Against iDownload
Yes = With iDownload.
I messed up, so I had to vote twice  |
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 mers2Premium,MVM
join:2004-03-20
USA
kudos:8 | said by KyeU:Vote No on the petition. No = Against iDownload Yes = With iDownload. I messed up, so I had to vote twice If you could vote twice the petition is worthless. The vote is open to manipulation.
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Hi All:
Ed Bott's got some interesting new info on iSearch/iDownload:
»www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000496.html
And Slashdot picked up the story, too:
»yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/02/23/18···8&tid=17
Best,
Eric L. Howes |
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Gotcha! Heh, the wonders of Google!
Please disregard that link. The Yes/No option is causing sever problems and will render the Petition useless. Please refer to this link:
»www.petitiononline.com/mm24Feb5/···ion.html
Where did Dave post that link? I need it edited pronto  :o |
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quote:
Vote No on the petition.
No = Against iDownload
Yes = With iDownload.
I messed up, so I had to vote twice
Exactly why it has been trashed 
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If you could vote twice the petition is worthless. The vote is open to manipulation.
Very true, but I'm sure the website has taken this into account by logging unique IP Addresses, in case such a poll can stand up in court, for example. That said, by default any proxy server that was used to submit a vote should be void. |
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Thanks Eric another great article there.
Here's a link we should also be aware of lest we forget others who have been a warrior against these things on behalf of computer users:
C|Net: See you later, anti-Gators?
»news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5095051.html
And yes, C|Net make the WhenU connection.
Meanwhile, the courts have smiled on a company that operates a similar ad network. Last month, WhenU survived a legal challenge brought against it by moving company U-Haul after WhenU served ads for U-Haul's competitors on top of U-Haul Web pages.
Eagle declined to comment on other specific spyware-busters, such as the New York City-based Enigma Software Group or InterMute, in Braintree, Mass. Those companies have advertised that they can rid computers of Gator--but their Web sites no longer mention the software. Eagle said he could not talk about ongoing actions.
Enigma Software Group could not be reached for comment. InterMute, which previously has spoken openly against Gator, declined to comment.
"Companies like Gator are the Goliath that average computer users are up against in the war for online privacy," Ed English, CEO of InterMute, said last month in an interview with CNET News.com.
Gator said it would take on its critics on a case-by-case basis.
"There are going to be detractor sites," Eagle said. "What we can do is focus on education and getting the word out there. We have discussions on this topic whenever we need to." |
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 Zhen-XjellProlific BunnyPremium,VIP,ExMod 2001-04
join:2000-10-08
Bordentown, NJ | reply to eburger68
It is amazing to see the public pick this story up and carry it to the front page of Slashdot and BBR, not to mention many other outlets.
We have a thread about the letters here too:
»castlecops.com/postt107522.html
On an interesting note, we hit our three year anniversary this week: »castlecops.com/postt107253.html
Thanks everyone.
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Yup, I'm having a hard time chasing down the link to the petition.
Couldn't happen at a worse time, could it? But we all know who're the strongest two people |
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | reply to eburger68
Pardon me, but WTF? BitDefender is named in Ed Bott's story as being associated with this BS?  |
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KyeU
join:2003-12-31
Canada
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I've been reading some of the comments on the SlashDot article ( »slashdot.org/yro/05/02/23/183024···8&tid=17 ), and there are some that give me a warm feeling inside:
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Subject: Does iDownload need a problem? I'll give them one.
As a Federal Government IT Manager, I have a problem with software that sits on a machine and collects information. Any application that can track a government employee's use of a workstation falls into the espionage law areas.
It would be interesting that as a Federal Agency, we deemed these programs malicious software, and seek Federal action against the companies who make these applications with a C&D of our own. Spyware constitutes spying. Without clear permission from the user, we shoud be fighting these companies on our own front.
Stay tuned. 
Mr.Fork
quote:
Subject:No Mercy for Spyware and Spammers
Spyware and Spammers are getting exactly what they have coming to them when they get deleted or blocked. If we choose to blacklist them or delete them for abusive behavior on our networks and computers, which are after all our property, then that is our choice and our right. If other people choose to agree with us and honor our blacklist then that is also their choice and their right. If I were one of those anti-spyware authors or spamhaus I would tell the spyware vendors and spammers, none too politely, to take their cease and desist letter and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
CodeBuster
And the iDownload Lawyers' Info (Also provided by the above link):
mark@ssjmlaw.com
Mark D. Hopkins
Telephone: (512) 347-1604
Fax: (512) 347-1676
The Overlook at Gaines Ranch
4330 S. Mopac, Ste. 150
Austin, Texas, 78735
(If you want to talk to him ^_^)
In my view, I believe they made a big mistake in threatening CC. They've just made a whole new world of enemies. |
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I don't believe Castle Cops will be hurt much by this legal action. If anything, I think a good lawyer will turn this around and make Castle Cops rich from ISearch.com/IDownload.com and hopefully they'll soon be known as iGOdown.com :P
When ppl play with fire, they're going to get burnt.
~ Respect2Glory is my REAL nick!
Reviews on FREEware, Windows PC Security Programs, and more. |
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KyeU
join:2003-12-31
Canada | Exactly ^_^
They may seem small, but look at how it has spread. (Even to SlashDot).
An interesting thing pointed out (Originally on SlashDot, full of thinkers ^_^):
»www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000496.html
iDownload has used the ICSA Labs name without authorization to sell their ripoff antivirus software, called Virus Hunter.
They've seemingly ripped Bit Defender's software also.
This means that they (iDownload) themselves could get a Cease and Desist letter from CyberTrust, if not Bit Defender. They could even get sued.
This could turn the tables on iDownload as they have brought all this attention to themselves.
Real smart.  |
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 hpguruCurb Your DogmaPremium
join:2002-04-12 | said by KyeU:An interesting thing pointed out (Originally on SlashDot, full of thinkers ^_^): » www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000496.htmliDownload has used the ICSA Labs name without authorization to sell their ripoff antivirus software, called Virus Hunter. They've seemingly ripped Bit Defender's software also. LOL! If they don't like the term "spyware" I wonder how "fraudware" strikes them? 
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Not how it reads to me. »www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000496.html
Is there a relationship between BitDefender and Virus Hunter? Yes, according to the Technology Integration section of the BitDefender Web site, which lists Virus Hunter as a “reference” on a list that includes legitimate companies like GFI, Laplink Software, and Sunbelt Software. In fact, Virus Hunter is identical to BitDefender Standard except for a few logos. See for yourself:
»www.bitdefender.com/bd/site/part···nu_id=32
References
Buhl Data (www.buhl.de)
BullGuard (www.bullguard.com)
Data Becker GmbH(www.databecker.de)
G DATA (www.gdata.de)
GFI (www.gfi.com)
Hauri (www.hauri.net)
HOON Secure (www.hoonsecure.com)
Inca Internet (www.inca.co.kr)
Ipswitch (www.ipswitch.com)
Laplink (www.laplink.com)
Software602 (www.software602.com)
Star Force Technologies (www.star-force.com)
Sunbelt Software (www.sunbeltsoftware.com)
Virus Hunter (www.virushunter.com)
Contact info:
For inquiries about BitDefender technology licensing please contact Ms. Laura Serbanescu (lserbanescu@bitdefender.com) or partners@bitdefender.com. |
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suziPremium
join:2004-05-01 | reply to eburger68
Re: Silencing the Critics: ISearch/IDownload Brian Livingston of Windows Secrets newsletter has written a piece about iSearch & iDownload and the C&D letters.
»windowssecrets.com/050224/
Brian interviewed iDownload's CEO, Arlo Gilbert.
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | reply to Respec2Glory
said by Respec2Glory:I don't believe Castle Cops will be hurt much by this legal action. If anything, I think a good lawyer will turn this around Who's going to pay that good lawyer? You?
Steve -- who kicked in this week to the legal fund
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