| Tivo isnt worth it 200$ to buy it, another 300$ for lifetime use, or 13$ a month is just not worth it. By the time its paid for itself it will be outdated and much better stuff will be out. My cable company charges 10$ a month for pretty much the same thing. 50 months of that would equil me paying for the tivo, and i can get a new one for nothing (hopefuly) by then. |
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 JoshNJPremium
join:2001-12-25
Freehold, NJ
1 edit | generally start at $100 after rebate, not $200
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 sivranBack to Opera againPremium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
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You don't need the subscription  |
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 Logan 5Enjoying the CataclysmPremium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
Austin, TX
kudos:7
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said by JoshNJ:
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said by Megladon13:
200$ to buy it
generally start at $100 after rebate, not $200
So, what's the price BEFORE rebate then?? I can get a PVR Box from Comcast added to my Cable Bill for a few $$$ more per month then what I'm already paying and have all the features of a TiVo at a cheaper price.
Pricing is what will ultimately make or break a product and when your competition does it better, faster & cheaper then you do, you either swim with the sharks or swim with the fishes...
Looks like TiVo's been fitted for their cement shoes... |
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Have you had real Tivo? I've tried both the cable, Tivo Standalone, and currently the DirecTivo. While I agree, from a marketing perspective Tivo is hard to bill as the clear cut winner, having used them and compared them with the Cable company boxes, I'm a Tivo fan for life.
Fixes?
1. Dual Tuner standalone boxes. If they can do it with DirecTivo, why not the standalone? (I use both tuners DAILY)
2. Drop the fee for the Home Media Option, and then expand what it can do.
3. Build the box with an easy HD upgrade option. Sure I can put one in, but I also have a water cooled computer. The average joe isn't going to upgrade....or realize just how nice it is to be able to.
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 banditws6Shrinking Time and DistancePremium
join:2001-08-18
Frisco, TX
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| I agree with your ideas for fixes. One nice thing is that TiVo recently did remove the fee for the Home Media Option; it is included now, assuming you have your box networked of course.
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| Well and I should have added......let DirecTivo users get HMO!!!! |
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 barqsdrinkerWhat Can I Photograph Today?Premium
join:2001-02-26
Apo, AE | Amen to that, bro!!! Us DTV folks are still stuck with v3 of the software, even.....
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Logan 5Enjoying the CataclysmPremium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
Austin, TX
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ok, fixes are fine and all, but what about the pricing? Can TiVo really be competitive with the Cable Co's who basically give away a PVR for just a few more $$$ per month then what most customers are already paying?
In otherwords: What can I get from TiVo that's SO compelling that I won't even consider a Cable Co. PVR even though it's cheaper then a TiVo? |
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You have to take that one up with Ruppert Murdoch. They didn't license the HMO stuff when they made the DirecTivo. It's really not in TiVo's hands on this issue. They licensed the technology to DirecTV to make their hardware. Just as other manufactures have licensed TiVo's technology, toshiba, pioneer, etc.. |
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 ThalerPremium
join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
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TiVo isn't that expensive, if you purchase it smart. I have a Toshiba DVD-Burner Tivo bundle, and it cost me $450 after tax & shipping. Now, considering that other DVD-Burners/DVR combos go for that or more, and mine comes with Tivo basic for free, it just made more sense to pay the little extra up front. For comparison:
Regular Tivo:
$100 regular price + $299 lifetime use = $399 total + tax
My Toshiba:
$450 flat, 3x Hard Drive Space, DVD-Burner, and Tivo service included. |
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I'm pretty sure you do. I looked this up once as I'd love to have a TiVo unit function like a digital VCR. (Tell it what time to start and stop recording and then select which recorded slots to replay.) The consensus that I found was that TiVo Series 1 units could do this, but Series 2 units were glorified doorstops without the service. (Which of course leads to the question of what would happen if TiVo were to go out of business?)
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said by Logan 5:Can TiVo really be competitive with the Cable Co's who basically give away a PVR for just a few more $$$ per month then what most customers are already paying? Well but see for us DirecTivo people (those who aren't grandfathered on the FREE Tivo plan) only pay $4.99 a month for the Tivo subscription. And for that we also get the dual tuner/recording option I have yet to see on ANY cable offering.
Season Passes (that work)
Record first run only / first run and repeats/ all
keep at most xxx
delete on xx/xx/xxxx
dump to VCR (or PC, though analog)
wish lists - record by just about anything, such as Actor name, show type, etc.
There is a lot the Tivo boxes do better than the generic cable boxes, they just don't advertise them well.
And without wanting to get into the cable v satellite argument, all of my RECORDINGS start and end digital. I've not seen any cable co's offering 100% digital TV yet, thus their recorders are still doing an A/D conversion.
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Los Angeles, CA
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Dunno, mine shipped with Tivo basic service integrated, though it is a bit more costly than the introductary $100 Tivo they offer. Fortunately though, I get the added benefits of a DVD-R W burner and a 120 GB HD to boot, for the small added investement.
And I use it primarily for that function, a digital VCR. (with TV-Guide built in) The pausing live TV is really nice too, but primarily for show recording/burning. |
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 stray
join:2000-01-16
Warren, NJ | reply to barqsdrinker
My R10 DirecTivo came with V6.1 software. Folders - Yes!, HMO/MRV - No 
Still waiting for the same software to be downloaded to my HDVR2.
said by barqsdrinker:Amen to that, bro!!! Us DTV folks are still stuck with v3 of the software, even..... |
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said by barqsdrinker:Us DTV folks are still stuck with v3 of the software Some of us are running v4 with HMO. 
But for those who aren't, 6.2 will be coming soon. Folders! Woo hoo!  |
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said by Thaler:Dunno, mine shipped with Tivo basic service integrated, though it is a bit more costly than the introductary $100 Tivo they offer. Fortunately though, I get the added benefits of a DVD-R W burner and a 120 GB HD to boot, for the small added investement. And I use it primarily for that function, a digital VCR. (with TV-Guide built in) The pausing live TV is really nice too, but primarily for show recording/burning. My brother has that unit and with his satellite service and even cable it changes channels horribly slow.
The only reason he has kept it is because he has both cable and dishnetwork so it is better for him to get the stand alone tivo.
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jagx
join:2004-05-03
Morris, IL | reply to Thaler
Well i have had a directtivo for over 1 year and just love it.
I subscribed to all channels on directv.
When i called to order my 1st tivo i was able to get $20.00 off per month for 6 months as long as i has the premium subscription not a bad deal.
Now i called them 4 weeks ago and talk to them about giving me 2 more directtivo and sure enough they did all for FREE. And they also gave me the $20.00 off for 6 months again.
So i really cant complain i paid $99.00 for my first tivo and i paid NOTHING for the 2 they just sent me and free install also.By the way the new ones are Samsung 70 hour units
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ThalerPremium
join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 | reply to BosstonesOwn
You SURE you're using the same Toshiba unit as mine? I have no problems changing channels - it's just as fast as the TV tuner ever did. |
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 brad_k
join:2004-07-11
Wenatchee, WA | reply to Megladon13
Well I don't know for me it has been well worth it I paid 99 bux for my Tivo and 149 for the lifetime and I have upgraded my HD a couple of times when the old one has given up the ghost.
So all said and done my Tivo has cost me $ 350 for the last 5 or so years not too bad.
I just wished that it would do 5.1 but that's another story
Cheers Brad |
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