 dks7
join:2004-05-31
Omak, WA | Interleave I just switched to Qwest DSL a week ago. So far the connection has been rock solid. Speeds are descent 164KB/sec down and around 120KB/sec upload. Unfortunatley Ive noticed latency kinda blows. 40ms ping to my first hop really bites. I'm somewhat of an online gamer and even servers in seattle, like 200 miles away from me give me pretty high latency.
My lines in my house are fine, I'm connected at the CO, and my distance is very short, "right across the street". Im wondering, is there any chance a guy could call them and beg, bride, offer to mow their lawns, anything, to get them to turn interleave off for your line, or atleast drop it down a notch. I mean ANY chance at all?
Id like to stick with the DSL, but unfortunatley I cannot if this latency persists. Thanks for your time. |
|
 adsldudePremium,Ex-Mod 2003-9
join:2000-11-10
Colorado
kudos:1 | said by dks7:Im wondering, is there any chance a guy could call them and beg, bride, offer to mow their lawns, anything, to get them to turn interleave off for your line, or at least drop it down a notch. I mean ANY chance at all? Qwest has turned a deaf ear to the interleave issue. No one has posted that they have been successful in getting the interleave turned down on ADSL accounts. Qwest has turned down interleave on VDSL accounts but VDSL is available in only a few areas.
--
My other passion is mountain biking. Info on the Colorado based Front Range Mountain Bike Patrol - FRMBP can be found at:»www.frmbp.org |
|
|
|
dks7
join:2004-05-31
Omak, WA | reply to dks7
Well that figures, I guess back to cable I go! |
|
 Red_Menacepoking around since 1978
join:2001-11-03
Littleton, CO | Good luck. I could never figure out why someone couldn't play with a .15 second time delay, although a big ping difference between players can get interesting - but then again, maybe it's just me. |
|
dks7
join:2004-05-31
Omak, WA | reply to dks7
When you play games online latency is the most important thing. If you go to shoot someone, u dont want to shoot and have them halfway across the screen by the time your bullet arrives. You'll never hit anything. |
|
 PixelFreakInnocent Until Proven Guilty
join:2001-02-21
Bremerton, WA | DKS,
I understand your pain all too well. While I give Qwest kudos on their delivery and throughput, I left them for cable (AND I HATE COMCAST WITH A PASSION!) because of the interleave issues.
Comcast service has been good, but the Comcast customer service is what makes me hate the company. Unfortunately, they are the only way I can get decent pings because they don't have the need to add interleave (diff. technologies) and therefore I get good response from online gaming.
To each his own, but you're not alone on this issue.
Good luck,
PixelFreak |
|
| A friend of mine had Comcast High Speed when he was in the middle of relocating.
Whenever he would try and download patches, service packs, etc from Microsoft, he would have to re-start the download 2-3, sometimes as many as 6 times before a successful connection.
This is the problem with not having any interleave at all, and also being on a shared network.
Qwest.net DSL does not have these problems. |
|
 AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO | I've never had a connection issue with either Comcast or Qwest.
So I should conclude that interleave does nothing other than add ~30ms to the first hop? |
|
 woodwardXMission BroadbandVIP
join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT | reply to dks7
Re: Interleave My two pennies -- had DSL at my old apartment for ~5 years. It only went out once when new neighbors moved in, and my very old wiring was nudged out of place by a tech installing their new phone line. Fixed on site in three hours.
My new house didn't get DSL, so I had to sign up with Comcast. It has dropped once since I moved in last August, and a powercycle of the modem fixed it.
Perhaps I'm lucky. Then again, people with solid, steady broadband connections are a lot less prone to joining tech support forums for their providers, so I may be less in the minority than you'd expect. |
|
AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
 ·Comcast
1 edit | reply to Anon
I have had equally good experiences with Qwest and Comcast. They are very similar with the exceptions of upload speeds and latency. My saying so isn't anything more than stating facts.
Your stating that interleave is required for any stable internet connection is absurd. I'm only commenting on it so that a novice will know the what you are saying ridiculous and not draw the wrong conclusions about how DSL (or cable) works.
I want these forums to continue to be a source for useful information, so will continue to comment to that end.
--
Save the whales. Collect the whole set. |
|
PixelFreakInnocent Until Proven Guilty
join:2001-02-21
Bremerton, WA | reply to adamofwales
said by adamofwales:A friend of mine had Comcast High Speed when he was in the middle of relocating. Whenever he would try and download patches, service packs, etc from Microsoft, he would have to re-start the download 2-3, sometimes as many as 6 times before a successful connection. This is the problem with not having any interleave at all, and also being on a shared network. Qwest.net DSL does not have these problems. Wow, this could not be more from the truth - interleave on cable lines. I honestly think you need to go back to the drawing board, learn the 7 layers of the OSI network model, and try to explain your past statement again?
I agree completely with Athlgrond, this is a resource for people, and spewing incorrect information should be caught and explained so that others don't take it as truth.
PixelFreak |
|
AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
·Comcast
| Re: Interleave said by adamofwales:Interleave is a necessary evil. Once you resolve to that fact you will switch back to Qwest, and you'll apologize for ever leaving. That sounds like some kind of vaguely disturbing threat... 
Anyway, here is some info for people to read on how interleave works and why Qwest uses it:
»US West/Qwest DSL »What is interleaving and why does Qwest use it?
»More On FEC and Interleave
I invite any (preferably non-frothy-mouthed) discussion.
For example there were some rumors floating around a while ago that Qwest was going to offer "gammer" level of service that would have a lower level of interleave induced latency. Has anyone heard any more on that?
--
Save the whales. Collect the whole set. |
|
| reply to Anon
And for anyone who wants to know the real deal on interleave.
I have Qwest 1.5 DSL, on a Cisco 678.
I also have an Xbox with Xbox Live.
I play NCAA Football 2005, and I rountinely absolutely smoke the opposition with no lag above normal gameplay that happens on any high speed connection.
In fact, the only time I have lag in a game is when I am playing someone on cable who has all the dropped packets, in which case, the game slows way down.
Most of your lag issues deal with improperly configured modems and routers, where people don't know what they are doing. |
|
| reply to AthlGrond
said by AthlGrond:That sounds like some kind of vaguely disturbing threat... No, it's the truth, that you can't handle, and you're giving everyone inaccurate information because you think you know what you are talking about. |
|
AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
·Comcast
| said by adamofwales:said by AthlGrond:That sounds like some kind of vaguely disturbing threat... No, it's the truth, that you can't handle, and you're giving everyone inaccurate information because you think you know what you are talking about. The information I posted is from this site, so you think everyone else on this site are wrong if they disagree with you?
--
Save the whales. Collect the whole set. |
|
| The reality is, you are completely wrong, and no longer worth responding to.
Interleave doesn't affect gaming performance. I have it, I use it everyday, and I know exactly what kind of gaming performance I get. It's awesome, it works perfect, I never experience any lag, and I never get the BS that I got with cable. |
|
