 adsldudePremium,Ex-Mod 2003-9
join:2000-11-10
Colorado
kudos:1 | reply to dks7
Re: Interleave Interleave is NOT required for a stable Internet connection. Interleave is a technique for helping DSL reach greater distances on marginal lines. Interleave is not used by all DSL providers. Qwest has Chosen to use interleave to maximize their DSL coverage area and minimize their DSL support efforts.
Arguing about interleave is a waste of time and effort.
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1 edit | said by adsldude:Interleave is NOT required for a stable Internet connection. Interleave is a technique for helping DSL reach greater distances on marginal lines. Interleave is not used by all DSL providers. Qwest has Chosen to use interleave to maximize their DSL coverage area and minimize their DSL support efforts. Arguing about interleave is a waste of time and effort. It may not be required for an ISP to operate, but it sure as hell is required for a stable connection.
I've been without interleave I know how pathetic it is. |
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 AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
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So you do think that anyone who thinks differently than you is wrong. (Read the posts above yours, by other people who need better latency than what Qwest provides.)
I'm not surprised that you don't have any problems with you Xbox sports games. Some games are very tolerant to latency.
But the fact is some games do require excellent latency (not just pretty good), games like rainbow six, quake, counter-strike, and Battle Field 1942. They can be played with less than excellent latency however it puts the player at a distinct disadvantage.
Aside:
Your extrapolations are really quite humorous:
I have no problems, therefore, no one has problems.
My friend had problems with Comcast once, therefore, everyone has problems with Comcast all the time.
(I could go on and on, but time only permits so much.)
I particularly enjoy how when you are faced with evidence to the contrary you make even more ridiculous comments and extrapolations to back up the last outlandish comment. (Sort of a self generating cycle of absurdity.)
Please! Don't! Stop! 
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| said by AthlGrond:So you do think that anyone who thinks differently than you is wrong. (Read the posts above yours, by other people who need better latency than what Qwest provides.) I'm not surprised that you don't have any problems with you Xbox sports games. Some games are very tolerant to latency. But the fact is some games do require excellent latency (not just pretty good), games like rainbow six, quake, counter-strike, and Battle Field 1942. They can be played with less than excellent latency however it puts the player at a distinct disadvantage. Aside: Your extrapolations are really quite humorous: I have no problems, therefore, no one has problems. My friend had problems with Comcast once, therefore, everyone has problems with Comcast all the time. (I could go on and on, but time only permits so much.) I particularly enjoy how when you are faced with evidence to the contrary you make even more ridiculous comments and extrapolations to back up the last outlandish comment. (Sort of a self generating cycle of absurdity.) Please! Don't! Stop! You simply don't know what you are talking about. |
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AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
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| said by adamofwales:You simply don't know what you are talking about. Actually the problem is that I do know what I'm talking about.
How many people have to tell you that you are wrong before it starts to sink in?
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P.S. If you think that you don't have interleave or latency in your gaming, or any other online computing for that matter, you are smoking crack.
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said by AthlGrond:How many people have to tell you that you are wrong before it starts to sink in? Very simple answer. I'm not wrong. You are. |
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adsldudePremium,Ex-Mod 2003-9
join:2000-11-10
Colorado
kudos:1 | reply to adamofwales
said by adamofwales:It may not be required for an ISP to operate, but it sure as hell is required for a stable connection. I've been without interleave I know how pathetic it is. If your current line works better with interleave than without then your DSL line is of marginal quality. That's why Qwest deploys interleave so that the marginal quality lines can subscribe. This results in increased DSL coverage area and increased revenue opportunities. Interleave is not a technology required for all DSL lines. Interleave is required for all Qwest DSL lines because of Qwest deployment policies.
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| said by adsldude:said by adamofwales:It may not be required for an ISP to operate, but it sure as hell is required for a stable connection. I've been without interleave I know how pathetic it is. If your current line works better with interleave than without then your DSL line is of marginal quality. That's why Qwest deploys interleave so that the marginal quality lines can subscribe. This results in increased DSL coverage area and increased revenue opportunities. Interleave is not a technology required for all DSL lines. Interleave is required for all Qwest DSL lines because of Qwest deployment policies. Then the entire internet must be of marginal quality. |
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 PixelFreakInnocent Until Proven Guilty
join:2001-02-21
Bremerton, WA | reply to adamofwales
said by adamofwales:P.S. If you think that you don't have interleave or latency in your gaming, or any other online computing for that matter, you are smoking crack. What's telling about his confusion is that he is using the terms "latency" and "interleave" interchangeably. This is not the case - they are two very distinct things. But let's not tell him what the difference is, let's see if he can explain to US what the difference is...that forces him to explain himself, not simply criticise other's assertions.
So, how about the explanation between "interleave" and "latency"? We are waiting...
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1 edit | said by PixelFreak:said by adamofwales:P.S. If you think that you don't have interleave or latency in your gaming, or any other online computing for that matter, you are smoking crack. What's telling about his confusion is that he is using the terms "latency" and "interleave" interchangeably. This is not the case - they are two very distinct things. But let's not tell him what the difference is, let's see if he can explain to US what the difference is...that forces him to explain himself, not simply criticise other's assertions. So, how about the explanation between "interleave" and "latency"? We are waiting... PixelFreak No response is warranted. What I can tell you however, is that you obviously don't have your facts straight, which is very telling indeed. |
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PixelFreakInnocent Until Proven Guilty
join:2001-02-21
Bremerton, WA | Wow, avoiding the question actually answered it for us all.
You CAN'T explain the difference, rendering your position as unfounded. Try to explain that away...
No explanation = no understanding.
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 metrodustHey Thats Mine
join:1999-12-10
Seattle, WA | reply to adamofwales
said by adamofwales:said by adsldude:Interleave is NOT required for a stable Internet connection. Interleave is a technique for helping DSL reach greater distances on marginal lines. Interleave is not used by all DSL providers. Qwest has Chosen to use interleave to maximize their DSL coverage area and minimize their DSL support efforts. Arguing about interleave is a waste of time and effort. It may not be required for an ISP to operate, but it sure as hell is required for a stable connection. I've been without interleave I know how pathetic it is. you couldnt be more wrong my friend. i have a 6mb DSL connect without interleave and its flawless. interleave is not required for a stable connection.. if it were why would fastpath even be an option?
good for you for being able to play with higher latency, keep up those godlike skills. you should be glad, since not everyone is as perfect as you.
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 alanhdslPremium
join:1999-10-09
Phoenix, AZ | reply to dks7
*Sigh*  Can we keep the personal attacks out?
Interleve does help lines that are of marginal quality, and isn't required for lines that are good. Qwest, for whatever reason, doesn't want to track the good vs. bad lines and sets the most conservative interleve.
This means that the maxiumum number of lines will work with good speeds, but with higher latency for everyone. |
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metrodustHey Thats Mine
join:1999-12-10
Seattle, WA | we know it helps questionable line conditions. we were commenting on the statement that it was required to be used with DSL.
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 jhboricuaExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN | reply to adamofwales
Re: Interleave said by adamofwales:It may not be required for an ISP to operate, but it sure as hell is required for a stable connection. I've been without interleave I know how pathetic it is. Seeing how I had a 2 Covad ADSL non-interleaved circuit for over 4 years without any issues and at a distance of 8900+ ft., I can tell you that you're quite incorrect. My connection was rock solid WITHOUT interleave on it.
And I could tell the difference right away when I moved to Qwest DSL and my gaming experience on FPS suffered due to the unnecessary latency that Qwest interleaving settings add to their ADSL loops.
Interleave is ONLY required for a stable connection where the cable plant is of subpar quality or the loop lenght is too long.
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EGO TRIPPIN'
This thread is a waste of bandwidth.
Where's Justin?? |
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 RatigunI like video games
join:2004-07-19
AMD ATI | Interleave a necessity? Interesting. So I guess every other DSL provider who doesn't use it is wrong, and you are right? Again, insteresting.
I live a block and a half from a small brick building that has a large "QWEST" sign on it, I'm guessing that's the DSLAM. For being so close, I doubt I'd need interleaving. If there was another option to go with in my area, I'd switch. |
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LoL! I don't know where ppl get the idea there is no interleave with 'cable'...
Cable modem : Ambit Cable Modem
MAC Address: ****************
Serial Number: **************
Board ID: T60C678.00.01_AM01
Boot Code Version: 3.13.2
Software Version: 2.57.2033
Hardware Version: 1.12
Web Based Configuration Pages Version: 1.0.2
Downstream Lock : Locked
Downstream Frequency : 585000000 Hz
Downstream Modulation: QAM256
Downstream Interleave Depth: 32
Downstream Receive Power Level: -6.3 dBmV
Downstream SNR: 33.6 dB
Upstream Channel ID: 3
Upstream Transmit Power Level: 61.0 dBmV
Upstream Symbol Rate: 2560 Ksym/sec
Upstream Frequency: 34000000 Hz
Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2
Cable modem : Ambit Cable Modem
Boot Code Version: 3.13.2
Software Version: 2.57.2033
Hardware Version: 1.12
Web Based Configuration Pages Version: 1.0.2
Acquire a Downstream Channel 585000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State OK Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Security Enabled BPI+
Downstream Lock : Locked
Downstream Frequency : 585000000 Hz
Downstream Modulation: QAM256
Downstream Interleave Depth: 32
Downstream Receive Power Level: 11.5 dBmV
Downstream SNR: 34.6 dB
Upstream Channel ID: 3
Upstream Transmit Power Level: 33.8 dBmV
Upstream Symbol Rate: 2560 Ksym/sec
Upstream Frequency: 34000000 Hz
Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2
Network Access : Allowed
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 0
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 0
Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 0
Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragmentation Enabled, PHS Enabled
Maximum Number of CPEs : 3
In the two examples above (taken from this site), the interleave depth is set to 32...
SOURCE: »[TWC] KC Area - 01/24 Upgrade Letter from RR -Re: Modems
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Here's another one for you...
interface Cable1/0
description Cable Network
ip address xxxxxxxxxxxx 255.255.254.0 secondary
ip address xxxxxxxxxxxx 255.255.255.192 secondary
ip address 10.1.4.1 255.255.254.0
ip nbar protocol-discovery
service-policy output peer2peer
ip route-cache flow
cable downstream rate-limit token-bucket
cable downstream annex B
cable downstream modulation 64qam
cable downstream interleave-depth 32
cable downstream frequency 573000000
cable downstream channel-id 82
no cable downstream rf-shutdown
cable upstream 0 frequency 29008000
cable upstream 0 power-level 0
cable upstream 0 channel-width 1600000
cable upstream 0 minislot-size 4
cable upstream 0 modulation-profile 1
cable upstream 0 rate-limit token-bucket
cable upstream 0 s160-atp-workaround
no cable upstream 0 shutdown
cable upstream 1 frequency 29008000
cable upstream 1 power-level 0
cable upstream 1 channel-width 1600000
cable upstream 1 minislot-size 4
cable upstream 1 modulation-profile 1
cable upstream 1 rate-limit token-bucket
cable upstream 1 s160-atp-workaround
no cable upstream 1 shutdown
cable upstream 2 frequency 29008000
cable upstream 2 power-level 0
cable upstream 2 channel-width 1600000
cable upstream 2 minislot-size 4
cable upstream 2 modulation-profile 1
cable upstream 2 rate-limit token-bucket
cable upstream 2 s160-atp-workaround
no cable upstream 2 shutdown
cable upstream 3 frequency 29008000
cable upstream 3 power-level 4
cable upstream 3 channel-width 1600000
cable upstream 3 minislot-size 4
cable upstream 3 modulation-profile 1
cable upstream 3 rate-limit token-bucket
cable upstream 3 s160-atp-workaround
no cable upstream 3 shutdown
cable dhcp-giaddr policy
Interleave depth: 32
SOURCE: »puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-···521.html
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