 PixelFreakInnocent Until Proven Guilty
join:2001-02-21
Bremerton, WA | reply to dks7
Re: Interleave DKS,
I understand your pain all too well. While I give Qwest kudos on their delivery and throughput, I left them for cable (AND I HATE COMCAST WITH A PASSION!) because of the interleave issues.
Comcast service has been good, but the Comcast customer service is what makes me hate the company. Unfortunately, they are the only way I can get decent pings because they don't have the need to add interleave (diff. technologies) and therefore I get good response from online gaming.
To each his own, but you're not alone on this issue.
Good luck,
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| A friend of mine had Comcast High Speed when he was in the middle of relocating.
Whenever he would try and download patches, service packs, etc from Microsoft, he would have to re-start the download 2-3, sometimes as many as 6 times before a successful connection.
This is the problem with not having any interleave at all, and also being on a shared network.
Qwest.net DSL does not have these problems. |
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 AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO | I've never had a connection issue with either Comcast or Qwest.
So I should conclude that interleave does nothing other than add ~30ms to the first hop? |
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AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
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I have had equally good experiences with Qwest and Comcast. They are very similar with the exceptions of upload speeds and latency. My saying so isn't anything more than stating facts.
Your stating that interleave is required for any stable internet connection is absurd. I'm only commenting on it so that a novice will know the what you are saying ridiculous and not draw the wrong conclusions about how DSL (or cable) works.
I want these forums to continue to be a source for useful information, so will continue to comment to that end.
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PixelFreakInnocent Until Proven Guilty
join:2001-02-21
Bremerton, WA | reply to adamofwales
said by adamofwales:A friend of mine had Comcast High Speed when he was in the middle of relocating. Whenever he would try and download patches, service packs, etc from Microsoft, he would have to re-start the download 2-3, sometimes as many as 6 times before a successful connection. This is the problem with not having any interleave at all, and also being on a shared network. Qwest.net DSL does not have these problems. Wow, this could not be more from the truth - interleave on cable lines. I honestly think you need to go back to the drawing board, learn the 7 layers of the OSI network model, and try to explain your past statement again?
I agree completely with Athlgrond, this is a resource for people, and spewing incorrect information should be caught and explained so that others don't take it as truth.
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AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
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| Re: Interleave said by adamofwales:Interleave is a necessary evil. Once you resolve to that fact you will switch back to Qwest, and you'll apologize for ever leaving. That sounds like some kind of vaguely disturbing threat... 
Anyway, here is some info for people to read on how interleave works and why Qwest uses it:
»US West/Qwest DSL »What is interleaving and why does Qwest use it?
»More On FEC and Interleave
I invite any (preferably non-frothy-mouthed) discussion.
For example there were some rumors floating around a while ago that Qwest was going to offer "gammer" level of service that would have a lower level of interleave induced latency. Has anyone heard any more on that?
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And for anyone who wants to know the real deal on interleave.
I have Qwest 1.5 DSL, on a Cisco 678.
I also have an Xbox with Xbox Live.
I play NCAA Football 2005, and I rountinely absolutely smoke the opposition with no lag above normal gameplay that happens on any high speed connection.
In fact, the only time I have lag in a game is when I am playing someone on cable who has all the dropped packets, in which case, the game slows way down.
Most of your lag issues deal with improperly configured modems and routers, where people don't know what they are doing. |
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said by AthlGrond:That sounds like some kind of vaguely disturbing threat... No, it's the truth, that you can't handle, and you're giving everyone inaccurate information because you think you know what you are talking about. |
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AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
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| said by adamofwales:said by AthlGrond:That sounds like some kind of vaguely disturbing threat... No, it's the truth, that you can't handle, and you're giving everyone inaccurate information because you think you know what you are talking about. The information I posted is from this site, so you think everyone else on this site are wrong if they disagree with you?
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| The reality is, you are completely wrong, and no longer worth responding to.
Interleave doesn't affect gaming performance. I have it, I use it everyday, and I know exactly what kind of gaming performance I get. It's awesome, it works perfect, I never experience any lag, and I never get the BS that I got with cable. |
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AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
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| So you do think that anyone who thinks differently than you is wrong. (Read the posts above yours, by other people who need better latency than what Qwest provides.)
I'm not surprised that you don't have any problems with you Xbox sports games. Some games are very tolerant to latency.
But the fact is some games do require excellent latency (not just pretty good), games like rainbow six, quake, counter-strike, and Battle Field 1942. They can be played with less than excellent latency however it puts the player at a distinct disadvantage.
Aside:
Your extrapolations are really quite humorous:
I have no problems, therefore, no one has problems.
My friend had problems with Comcast once, therefore, everyone has problems with Comcast all the time.
(I could go on and on, but time only permits so much.)
I particularly enjoy how when you are faced with evidence to the contrary you make even more ridiculous comments and extrapolations to back up the last outlandish comment. (Sort of a self generating cycle of absurdity.)
Please! Don't! Stop! 
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| said by AthlGrond:So you do think that anyone who thinks differently than you is wrong. (Read the posts above yours, by other people who need better latency than what Qwest provides.) I'm not surprised that you don't have any problems with you Xbox sports games. Some games are very tolerant to latency. But the fact is some games do require excellent latency (not just pretty good), games like rainbow six, quake, counter-strike, and Battle Field 1942. They can be played with less than excellent latency however it puts the player at a distinct disadvantage. Aside: Your extrapolations are really quite humorous: I have no problems, therefore, no one has problems. My friend had problems with Comcast once, therefore, everyone has problems with Comcast all the time. (I could go on and on, but time only permits so much.) I particularly enjoy how when you are faced with evidence to the contrary you make even more ridiculous comments and extrapolations to back up the last outlandish comment. (Sort of a self generating cycle of absurdity.) Please! Don't! Stop! You simply don't know what you are talking about. |
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AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
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| said by adamofwales:You simply don't know what you are talking about. Actually the problem is that I do know what I'm talking about.
How many people have to tell you that you are wrong before it starts to sink in?
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P.S. If you think that you don't have interleave or latency in your gaming, or any other online computing for that matter, you are smoking crack.
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said by AthlGrond:How many people have to tell you that you are wrong before it starts to sink in? Very simple answer. I'm not wrong. You are. |
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PixelFreakInnocent Until Proven Guilty
join:2001-02-21
Bremerton, WA | reply to adamofwales
said by adamofwales:P.S. If you think that you don't have interleave or latency in your gaming, or any other online computing for that matter, you are smoking crack. What's telling about his confusion is that he is using the terms "latency" and "interleave" interchangeably. This is not the case - they are two very distinct things. But let's not tell him what the difference is, let's see if he can explain to US what the difference is...that forces him to explain himself, not simply criticise other's assertions.
So, how about the explanation between "interleave" and "latency"? We are waiting...
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