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reply to FizzyMyNizzy

Re: FIOS scheduled for Bronx NY yet?

reply to Network Guy
where in riverdale did you see it?

reply to Network Guy
Its not in the Bronx. Not a single fiber has been placed for FIOS, nor have any boxes.

Does a pedestal box count?

Verizon doesnt want people to know where they are deploying for sole reason they dont want their competitors to know. There are some areas which have had prelim work but till its close to being ready Verizon wont say it has been done or will even argue it has not been done.

Remember this: Heavily MDU sections of the Bronx will not get done right away. There are more upscale suberban like areas in the Bronx in some sections and those are likely to be wired soon. I would not even hesitate to believe that FIOS may have already been started in the Bronx.

Earliest areas to get it will include:

Baychester, Bedford Park, Castle Hill, City Island, Country Club, Eastchester, Edenwald, Fordham, Highbridge, Hunts Point, Kingsbridge, Melrose, Morrisania, Morris Heights, Morris Park, Mott Haven, Norwood, Parkchester, Pelham Bay, Pelham Parkway, Port Morris, Riverdale, Soundview, Throgs Neck, Tremont, University Heights, Wakefield, Westchester Square, West Farms, Williamsbridge, and Woodlawn.

Early permits have been spotted in some of these towns for very preliminary work. Some of you are also reporting seeing fiber boxes which is very possible. Please take digital pics. I am not sure if more was done. Verizon is doing a great job in accelerating this but at the same time is keeping a TIGHT LID on what area will go next for competitive reasons.

Any of you who see work are encouraged to post it. I have seen permits in Bronx for new telephone polls/replacements and its unclear yet if FIOS will be put on those new polls right away.

Just a word to Verizon: Dont worry about keeping locations hidden because quite frankly, noone else is even deploying FIOS and the people here want it and if you tell them you are doing prelim work, they will be early adopters and be more loyal Verizon customers.

SBC cant do SQUAT till the AT&T merger approval in which case they will then MAYBE come into the market for residential. We dont know yet.

Also ignore ANYONE posting as anonymous on these forums as to FIOS deployment. Could be some other cable co employees as well trying to keep you away.

Remember bronx in many of these towns are like suberbia and those areas will be next in line. Staten Island goes first though with complete FIOS deployment as its still rolling and fast too over there. Rolling rolling rolling. More fiber homes passed daily.

Verizon is gonna soon have a McDonalds like sign, Million served with FIOS

reply to Network Guy
the list is alphabetical so it doesn't mean your area will be last. I live in kingsbridge so cross my fingers now
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reply to Network Guy
funnie you should mention this list of place in the bronx, my cousin tonight who works for a company in long island told me he could get FiOS all he had to do was pay for the fiber drop to the house, now he lives with my grandmother over near co - op city (she lives near eastchester road and mace) He tells me that he will pay for it but its too expensive, now i didnt even argue because him and i are like the two pc geeks in the family so it would be pointless but all i said was prove me wrong!

reply to AJ023
AJ, I doubt you will see FIOS in most of those areas soon. Outside of Woodlawn, parts of Wakefield, Country Club, City Island and Riverdale, most of those areas or strictly apartment buildings. With the MDU solution unresolved according to posts here, those areas will not see any FIOS. The ones I listed above are primarily single or dual family homes with a few apartment buildings.

I did not seperate those areas prodimemantly MDU as I dont know offhand those areas. You can google for community district to find out which of those have the highest percentage of homes as NYC keeps track of that on its website.

Actually your wrong about most of the other areas being mostly apartment buildings though. See there are plenty of areas that are majority homes at like 30% or so based on quick glance with MDUs at 20% or so. Verizon is steadily accelerating and will eventually have to do where the homes are even in areas which have MDUs nearby as they fill in more areas but they will likely choose the ones with higher amount of homes than MDUs. Verizon also has 2 ONT suppliers as well now.

Suberbia in NYC metro is getting filled in quick (suberban like areas of the boroughs, long island, westchester and rockland). Take Queens for instance where they did the most suberban like towns of Bayside, Little Neck, Oakland Gardens and Douglaston areas. There is a few areas left like Whitestone, and other areas with lots of homes, but those numbers are diminishing and they will have move to homes in areas near MDU's which have more homes than MDUs at first.

»www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/lucds/cdstart.html and you can get stats based on each community district. Verizon has to do the homes regardless so its easier to do the areas where there more homes than apartment buildings as that still takes alot of time to do for the homes.

Nope those areas were alphabetical and my own assessment of the towns most likely to get FIOS first.

Even though Verizon will go online with Bronx, dont expect it right away though. It will take months from initial start phase. So even if Verizon did start deploying Bronx fully right now, you are looking at maybe 9 months from today for just SOME areas to come online and so far they havent done any significant work barring any new developments (everything is subject to change). But those areas are likely to get it before the other areas in the Bronx in my personal opinion.

AJ, it appears you are incorrect. I live and work there for well over 30 years now and the areas I listed as being mostly MDU's are indeed that. VZ will not start to fiber up an area that is mostly apartment buildings. If they are going to stick with a single family type layout, Woodlawn, Wakefield, Throggs Neck, Country Club, Riverdale and Morris Park are really the only areas to go after. The majority of the west Bronx is apartment house from Riverdale south to 132nd St. Same for the mid and eastern sections outside of those listed above.

Now, none of that will matter if they resolve the MDU issue but until they do, anywhere outside of the areas listed above are no go.

Please go here:

»www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/lucds/cdstart.html

and click on the districts in the Bronx. It tells you specifically the figures of MDUs and Homes percentage wise in that community district.

For example District 10 (where I saw permits for new polls filled by the DOT on the permit website and please go here:

»www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/lucds/b···file.pdf

As you can see district 10 is 30% homes, only 12% MDUs. So District 10 is prime area for FIOS deployment by homes. District 10 encompasses Pelham Bay, Throgs Neck, City Island and others.

The chart shows the whitish areas as 1+2 family homes so you can see specifically where the homes reside.

If you read what I said, I specifically said that areas that have more homes than MDUs will go first. I did NOT say which of those towns these were. However going by Community Districts those are as follows:

Community District #8 (Riverdale, Kingsbridge)
Community District #9 in the Southeast part, I assume thats Parkchester?
Community District #10 (Throgs Neck, Pelham Bay, etc...)
Community District #11 Pelham Bay Gardens, Morris Park
Community District #12 Baychester, Eastchester, etc...

And there are pockets of homes in some other community districts that could be pulled in as well untill they do MDUs.

Just look at the website I gave you as it lists SPECIFICALLY where those homes lie, the percentages and everything inbetween. And I have no doubt Verizon is using this type of information as to determine where to deploy.

I listed those towns because those towns are going to be the EARLIEST to get FIOS out of all those other towns. I did not parse out untill now which towns had significant home percentages.

Verizon still has to do MDUs and if your in any of the afformentioned towns you have a better shot at getting it when MDUs come online.

reply to Tomek
I just called Verizon. Lady says she has no idea when Fios will be available in any of the 5 B's because of all the multi dwellings. She swears its not available yet in any of NYC

I can answer that right now: June to July 2005 for the earliest NYC deployments for you to order service. Staten Island (limited parts maybe, they are working hard pulling fiber now all over) and Queens in Bayside,Oakland Gardens, Douglaston, Little Neck as those areas are just finishing up.

For the majority we wait to see how it works out and how fast they progress it.

In terms of Bronx, for some areas which have a VERY HIGH percentages of single family homes, we COULD see availability in by September 2006 assuming they start doing more than poll rehab work within the next month, thats just a personal guess.

FIOS deployment takes time, but it goes faster once more permits AND employees come online. The more money Verizon makes, the more employees it highers and the quicker it goes! So hang in tight. Verizon wants 3 million homes passed by year end. That still leaves plenty of us out of the loop so far.

reply to Network Guy
Dont feed the trolls!!!

AJ, the community board #'s dont accurately show the breakdown in the areas listed. Its way more on the MDU side and that site is surprisingly off. I wonder why, they should have the means to get the #'s right.

Lets take Riverdale, north of 242nd St, you have 70% private homes to 30% apartment buildings. Prime FIOS area. Big $$ and high profile. The "Riverdale" name has always been a big thing. I bet thats area #1 for this roll out. Woodlawn might be next. Sadly the central Bronx is an MDU nightmare and that will be a problem.

Those numbers are correct and those are City of New York OFFICIAL figures.

You can even verify without going there by using Google satellite images which are now free to see those areas accurately represented because you can view the homes in those areas. The colors correspond to the homes in those areas correctly and the statistics are indeed accurate. They go by communitity districts and not by towns HOWEVER you can look at the map section which lists the specific color codes for figures. NYC also has a zoning map on the website as well which was from a college which worked in partnership with NYC and it directly also corresponds with those community district maps. It is also available on the city website.

Tell those in the homes in Bronx in those areas who LIVE THERE AND WANT FIOS! They are there and indeed accurate. Satellite images from google, zoning maps and the community district maps are indeed correct because they are all 3 different sources and SHOW THE SAME THING!

I dont know why you are arguing with me when every website is confirming what I am saying including those 3 which are all provided via different sources.

I take it you never been to Pelham area before. Theres even a Horse stable down there and yes, multiple single story homes and its really nice and yet you deny even that area has single family homes? It was not even in the list you mentioned.

Heres an example of single family homes in Pelham:

»newyork.foxtons.com/search?md5=8···umbnails

There are MANY of these types of homes there. Just look on the google satellite images for goodness sakes. Your arguing yet the FACTS show otherwise.

It seems like the only person trolling is some anonymous poster from Verizon who doesnt even give his username.

AJ, not arguing with you, simply pointing out what I see and live in daily. Born and raised there. Worked in EVERY neighborhood for many years. Seen it all top to bottom. Regardless of what those numbers say, they are wrong. Do you believe everything you read, especially government posted numbers? Please tell me you dont, I dont want to discuss this with someone that foolish. You get very accusatory when someone conflicts with your opinion. Perhaps the anonymous person isnt the troll here......

Stables? WTF? Do horses require FIOS now? Does Mr. Ed download porn these days?

As for your google map, go ahead and google Highbridge, Melrose, Kingsbridge, Co Op City, University Hgts, Tremont, Fordham, The Concourse, Soundview, Hunts Point, etc. Show me more than a few isolated blocks of private/2 family homes. Then google Riverdale, Woodlawn, T Neck and Morris Park. You'll see what I mean.

I already said Pelham area (Morris Park etc) is a viable candidate. Perhaps you dont know the Bronx well enough to discuss this. I said the central Bronx is all MDU's. Go take a ride up the Grand Concourse and make a left or right at every intersection and find more than 2 private houses together in any direction.

My point is, those numbers do not accurately reflect the layout in the Bronx. Thats fact. Get off the PC and take a ride. Hop on the 4, 5, or 6 line and watch the Bronx go by. You'll see MDU's only.

Morris Park, which is part of Pelham, has a small area of single family homes compared to the entire neighborhood in general. Same for Kingsbridge. Throggs Neck, Riverdale and Woodlawn are the only areas with few apartment buildings.

You think I never been to the Bronx before Wrong!

The numbers are NOT wrong. You seem to be skipping over the list I gave for some reason:

Community District #8 (Riverdale, Kingsbridge)
Community District #9 in the Southeast part, I assume thats Parkchester?
Community District #10 (Throgs Neck, Pelham Bay, etc...)
Community District #11 Pelham Bay Gardens, Morris Park
Community District #12 Baychester, Eastchester, etc...

These are the areas with higher percentages of homes. Why are you slipping in the other areas when I DID NOT SAY THOSE AREAS HAD A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF HOMES. I said the community districts ABOVE have the highest percentage of homes. Your skipping out areas in the above I posted.

And then you argue that those figures from the city are incorrect. They are NOT. You can use google satellite images and see the homes are precisely where they are on those maps. From a rough look it looks like those figures are indeed accurate.

Someone from the Bronx in those areas has to be reading this. Stand up for your FIOS.

This post is to educate users as to when they will get FIOS and the fact is those areas in the community districts I posted will be the 1st of the first, then eventually the other town listings will come online.

Lets behave and posts facts and figures rather than say information is wrong without showing another source with the correct information. Google the areas of Parkchester, Eastchester, Pelham Parkway, and others and you will also find single family homes and it confirms the data from the city charts when you look at the satellite images. You can only argue it is wrong if you have viable facts and figures and give urls or sources.

FIOSWATCHER@verizon.net and AJisWRONGAGAIN@verizon.net are most likely the same user.

In essence, we have said the same thing yet you are arguing with me. So, please, what exactly is your problem? As for the areas you mention in the various community boards....

District 8. South of 242nd St, its mostly apartment buildings save for some private homes on Sedgewick Ave and west of Broadway. North of 242nd St, its reversed 3's wise.

District 9. Parkchester is all MDU's. Its a concrete village.

District 10. I already went over the area.

District 11. Same as above.

District 12. Its 50/50.

So, your point in arguing me is?

"AJ, I doubt you will see FIOS in most of those areas soon. Outside of Woodlawn, parts of Wakefield, Country Club, City Island and Riverdale, most of those areas or strictly apartment buildings."

This is what you posted. You did not include other towns like Pelham Parkway and the other towns I mentioned. You skipped over alot of towns.

In terms of district 9, I had assumed that was parkchester which had the homes and I wasnt sure and made this comment earlier: Community District #9 in the Southeast part, I assume thats Parkchester?

I stand corrected on this point but I had shown earlier I wasnt sure if this was Parkchester. And it turns out it wasnt. HOWEVER the correct areas were Castle Hill, and Unionport as well as Clason Point and Harding River. So thats 4 more towns to the list. Because Castle Hill was on the earlier list, Castle Hill would have the highest priority in that area and would likely be the place getting it first in CD #9.

reply to ss4vegito7
ss4vegito7: Can you please post where you saw this box or post a digital picture!

I will snap a photo of the box so we can all determine if its FIOS in Riverdale.

Regardless all of us here do agree Riverdale would be the 1st place to get when Bronx is wired up.