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awk_boy

join:2002-05-15
Bronx, NY
reply to Network Guy

[Business] Re: FIOS scheduled for Bronx NY yet?

Well, its been almost a month... Has anyone seen any activity in the BX?

I live in district #10, and haven't seen anything that would suggest FIOS to me.


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Only Fios stuff i see is when im on central ave in westchester
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I've been seeing heavy duty Verizon trucks in NW Bronx the last couple of weeks but am always on a bus and can't ask what they're doing. Hopefully it's laying fiber(?)!

On the other hand, just got off the phone with Vz FIOS and according to the guy the Bronx isn't even on the radar yet
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Where in NW Bronx? I haven't seen any activity at all, I'm at Castle Hill by the Cross Bronx Exp. Then again, I'm only home after six.


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Kingsbridge area in the mornings. Next time I see them I'll get off the bus and ask if they're laying fiber.
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Cool shit.


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[Business] Bronx update

Spoke to a working Verizon field rep this morning. Bronx FIOS rollout won't happen this year but is likely to begin in 2006 for residential private houses.

"What about apartment buildings?" I asked hopefully. These, I am disheartened to report, were his exact words:

"They don't even have a plan for that yet."
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[Business] Re: Bronx update

LOL

Oh well. Not that I'm holding my breath for FIOS. I do live in a private house, but there's apartment buildings practically everywhere else you look. It's nothing like the topology found in areas like Morrisania or University Heights where apartment buildings is basically all there is, but there are many of those in Castle Hill.

Thanks for the update

TrekfanII

join:2000-10-14
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[Business] Re: FIOS scheduled for Bronx NY yet?

What I want to know is what is it going to take to bring FIOS to apartments in the Bronx and the rest of New York City.It seems that Verizon has not found that out yet and that is a shame that they are "learning" as they go deploying their fiber while we "wait".Time is ticking by and I think that if they drag their feet as a company,someone else is gonna leapfrog ahead of em.


Phoneman63

join:2001-02-22
Hauppauge, NY
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FYI. Here is the sked for The Bronx for 2006.
Cruger
City Island.

Please realize that things change.
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Cruger as in White Plains Road & Pelham Parkway?

At least that's some progress.


Phoneman63

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said by Network Guy:

Cruger as in White Plains Road & Pelham Parkway?

At least that's some progress.
Don't know. It only say's Cruger.
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Okie dokie.

Appreciate the update

dramzan98

join:2002-01-25
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Was driving up Gun Hill Road and passed Boston Rd. when i saw the little advertising truck that said Verizon Fios is here. I did a double take and almost crashed. Is the potential deployment going a little faster than expected or did the truck lose its way from westchester? I hope not!

tele70

join:2002-11-03
Milford, CT
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I'm a technician for Verizon. I can tell you that as of today not a single strand of fiber related to Fios has been run in the Bronx. I spoke with an engineer yesterday and the word is they will do the Kruger C.O which is the north east bronx first and its tentively scheduled for late 2006 or early 2007. At this point the plan is only to wire private homes not , no MDU as of yet. Be patient as i've heard that fios kicks ass.


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very gay, i want fios lol


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For those who don't know:

MDU = Multiple Dwelling Units (i.e. apartment houses)
FIOS = FIber Optic Service

The MDU holdup is that FIOS needs its own power supply to work in each individual apartment and Verizon hasn't yet figured out who is going to pay for same. The landlord? The tenant? Verizon? Plus they need to hammer out billing arrangements with Con Ed.

FWIW the Vz guy I quizzed about all this last week said the Bronx is scheduled to begin "February 2006." City Island, with all its private houses, is first up.
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TrekfanII

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Like I posted before:What is it gonna take for Verizon to deploy fios to MDU's? New York City is chock full of not only residential dwellings but LOTS of office buildings that would love for fios to take hold of quickly in this market place but it seems that Verizon is not sure how to go about doing that.Playing it by ear it seems to me is not a good strategy in this sector of economy.People and more importantly companies will look to other means get their broadband on and not wait for Verizon get it's act together on this front.Your thoughts folks.


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City-Island will get it first, next year. Then, who knows?

blaqueknite

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I am a Verizon Field Technician woking in the Bronx, fiber will be coming in early 2006. Fiber in City Island has been postponed because they are putting in a new sewer system and the company will wait until that is finihed. The plan for 2006 is the Cruger area this will cover East of White Plains Road and North of Gun Hill. This area was chosen because there are many attached houses, so it will keep the cost per footage(of fiber cable)low which is a big concern of the company. Peolpe in Country club, Throgs Neck and Castle Hill will have to wait cost per footage there was considered to high. Technicians will start laying cable in Cruger for the first three months. Then splicing ( putting cables together) will start in area. The anticipation is that all work will be complete in late 2006. In Long Island Technicians ran fiber optic dropwires to every home, in the Bronx this will not be the case. Only if you order the Fios will a doprwire be run. This will help keep cost down for the company. As of now there is no solution to getting the Fios into apartment buildings. Right now the way the laws are written a company must offer service in a entire area in this caes the Bronx in order to get approval to sell video. I know company is lobbying to get the laws changed, but they can expect a fight from Cablevision. Hope this helps anybody with questions.


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Thanks for your informed post. So FIOS goes to my old Cruger Ave neighborhood first? Just my luck. I moved from there last year to a MDU building that can get neither FIOS nor Cablevision! What's a downloader to do?? LOL.

Do you think the FIOS/apt building problem will be worked out?
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awk_boy

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blaqueknite,

Do you think the Throgs Neck / Country Club area will be started in '06 or '07?

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blaqueknite

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Installation of Fios in Cruger is a test in many ways. It is a test to see how well and fast the technicians can put the plant up and it is a test to see how many people are willing to purchase the service. The company has no official plans , but I think Tratman Central Office which covers Throgsneck, Country Club, Williamsbrigde and Castle Hill would be the logical choice in 2007. The technology is there to bring Fios to MDUs, but the logistics and equipment cost are probably too high for the company right now. My boss told the technicians that the company has no plan for the MDU situation right now. Yes I have heard how the company is putting fios in a MDUs in California and long Island, but that will not work in a 12 story building like Parkchester where I live. The company is losing a lot customers to Cablevision and they are worried about it. They would be ignoring a large customer base if they did not try to get into the MDUs. the company right now wants to put the service in areas where they can show a profit on the money they spent to install it. The company is very quiet on this issue for a number a reasons this just being my opinion. One reason being the possibility that they never intend to put Fios in MDUs. They may figure offering cheap copper Dsl service makes them more money. Hope this helps.



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said by blaqueknite:

Hope this helps.
It does. Depressing, but it does.
I'm going to press our co-op board in my MDU (160 units) to invite Cablevison in.
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jammmin

join:2000-12-14
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Based on what you just said then, the future of FIOS then does not look good if the MDU issue isn't resolved. For FIOS to be successful, it cannot be just a "niche" product. It has to be a mass market product, ie, available to the masses. Millions on americans live in MDU's and Verizon can't just ignore them if they expect to be successful and make a profit. Verizon just offering only POTS for MDU residents is not going to cut it in the 21st century when cable offering discounts for triple play services and partnering with wireless carriers to also include cell phone service.

For example, a friend of mine lives in an MDU in NYC. He has Cablevisions 10 megabit service and is happy with it. He was excited when he heard about the possibility of FIOS and its 15 and 30 megabit services. Of course, his excited was a bit dashed when I told him about the problems FIOS was having with MDU and that it could be a couple of years before NYC gets wired.

He become even more excited with Cablevisions plans to offer 15,30 and 50 megabit service by sometime next year. He already gets a discount on his internet service by also subscribing to their TV service and he just recently dropped his Verizon POTS(at $52 a month) to go with Optimum voice paying $29.99 a month for unlimited service and he is right now a very happy camper.

If Verizon can't offer triple play to the masses, it will be hemorraging a lot of customers over the next couple of years and it knows that. In the past, cable companies were complacent. Not anymore. They realize that in order to "win" you have to be aggressive in the marketplace.

MDU's can be wired after the fact. A few years ago, Coop City in the Bronx had its own cable TV service. Eventually the owners of Coop City signed a agreement with Cablevision to wire the entire MDU complex of 50,000 plus residents from scratch in which they did. Some buildings were as high as 20 stories but they did it and they got access to 50,000 plus more residents they didn't have before and that was just one area in theBronx. They ran a lot of wire in the stairs/hallways etc, but they were neatly covered up.

Not knowing much more than what I have read here over the past year, these are the options I think Verizon has for huge MDU's.

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Right now Cablevision has a hard time getting 10/1 service without pissing off customers due to caps or slowdowns. I can't imagine it will be any better when they roll out what is perceived as their response to FIOS. It has not been a temporary issue, it is something they've contended with for a while. There has been some indication that the issue is being worked on, but for the most standard response seems to be take it or leave it.

If you were to compare Verizon to Cablevision, it really is comparing apples to oranges. Folks are excited about the Triple Play, but when you consider the plethora of channels that could be had from DirecTV for similar pricing, it takes no genius to see that you're really pissing your money away. These same customers also don't realize their rise to service discount grace will expire, and given Cablevision's stance with regard to customer retention these days, their customer base will eventually erode.

Verizon DSL isn't perfect, but neither is either technology. There will be issues and limitations, and bottom line the consumer answers with their dollar in choosing which works best for them.

My personal stance... Cablevision used to work for me for years, and that stopped. I tried the worst of evils and found network access bliss. No bullshit, none of this waiting around hoping that they get it together. Since I'm not a speed junkie, 3/768 service is perfect for me, and I'm glad to pay my $33 for it.

awk_boy

join:2002-05-15
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Just wondering if there's been any news in the past month. Any updates on MDU's? Any updates on deployment from the Tratman CO? Thanks in advance.

AJ023

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Havent been following Bronx for awhile, but it looks like NYC deployment is at a very slow pace in the Boroughs other than Staten Island. Verizon/MCI is almost done, one more state left for approval, Washington.

After the 2 companies integrate, I think you will start to see more things happening because of cost efficiencies, greater profit, and everything inbetween so deployment speed should accelerate somewhat I hope.

I had expected Queens like Bayside would have been done already and was wrong. Seems like it will be ready sometime in 2006.

Seems like there is room for 3 competitors for residential in some urban parts (Incumbent cable co either Time Warner or Cablevision), Verizon + RCN) while others will have 2. Later on if profitability outlook changes maybe others will enter but who knows. RCN is kinda funky and will be moving into Brooklyn. It just reversed its debt structure whereby it will owe a creditor more but for the 1st few years they actually OWE less. RCN is kinda like the energizer bunny which never makes a profit but just keeps reshuffling things internally so it keeps going and going and going.

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Waiting for FIOS on Tratman Avenue as well here You are in Westchester Sq. area I believe?
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awk_boy

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About a 5 min bus ride from Westchester Sq, in the Throgs Neck area. Still served from Tratman though.