SUMwarePremium
join:2002-05-21
kudos:2 | reply to Goldengamego
Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin Revisions Last night:
Performed byte->byte check - installed Intellipoint software vs. backup. Perfect.
This morning (to insure valid software/registry entries):
Uninstalled Intellipoint. Deleted all files/folders. Dry cleaned, pressed, ironed registry.  Reinstalled Intellipoint from direct MS DL.
Mouse now under control. Was using medium acceleration, now using none. Could MS patches have somehow altered system mouse acceleration sensitivity? Browsing stable with FF & IE. Can open separately or concurrently, and browse using both simultaneously, as before. Box no longer freezes (so far).
So it seems as if something related to mouse/system interaction was affected during patching process. What? He's on second but I don't know exactly. Cleaning then reinstalling mouseware appears to have improved the situation.
Going to wait a couple more days then try patching again. Or will I?
Another mystery of life. Thanks for all of your help. |
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SUMwarePremium
join:2002-05-21
kudos:2 | reply to Goldengamego
Just saw this:
»www2.dslreports.com/forum/remark···12875676 |
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tedh
join:2001-01-11
Burlington, ON | reply to SUMware
Hi,
I experienced the same issue with 2 computers running W98SE. They were BSOD as they tried to draw the icons on startup. Once I uninstalled KB891711 they started without a problem. I didn't reinstall Intellipoint and they seem to run without a problem. Funny thing is that I installed said patch on a third W98SE box without any BSOD so far. Will wait and see before reapplying this patch. |
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SUMwarePremium
join:2002-05-21
kudos:2 | It's swell being MS beta testers. We should at least get a certificate or a T-Shirt. |
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 BlackbirdBuilt for SpeedPremium
join:2005-01-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:2
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| Hmmph.  Win98 systems. Intellipoint software installed on each. KB891711 patches applied. Some systems stay fine, some cough up BSODs, some glitch the mouse operation, some just hang... it gives new meaning to "your mileage may vary." And so much for the theory of the absolute repeatability of digital technology. 
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 CudniLa Merma - VigiladoPremium,MVM
join:2003-12-20
Someshire
kudos:13 | reply to Goldengamego
I also had problems on Win98 machine after updating it. I can only suspect is/was caused by KB891711, which i then disabled from starting up
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| As I posted in the other link, no problems here. I installed the two new patches (KB891711 & KB888113) on my Win Me system last night. Everything is A-OK. |
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said by Blackbird:Hmmph. Win98 systems. Intellipoint software installed on each. KB891711 patches applied. Some systems stay fine, some cough up BSODs, some glitch the mouse operation, some just hang... it gives new meaning to "your mileage may vary." And so much for the theory of the absolute repeatability of digital technology. Since 98 is no longer "officially" supported the patch probably wasn't very thoroughly tested
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Exactly describes the problem I had on WinMe. Wish I had seen this earlier. With KB891711.exe open my pc would crash every time I tried to open either FF or IE. Killing the process would then allow me to use either browser again. I have since uninstalled the patch and everything seems to be back to normal. |
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SUMwarePremium
join:2002-05-21
kudos:2 | reply to Goldengamego
Win98 is supported through at least June 2006.
That's why MS released patches for it. |
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 AlwillLost time is never found again.Premium,MVM
join:2002-09-25
Sydney, OZ | reply to Goldengamego
Really weird how some rigs are experiencing problems and others have not been affected  .
I have 98SE with an Intellimouse Explorer mouse backed by IntelliPoint 4.1 software and although, as I said at the start of this thread, I applied both patches (888118 & 891711) soon after their release, I have not had any trouble whatsoever ~touches wood~ .
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I figured out what had been causing my system to crash whenever I tried to open Internet Explorer or Firefox.
I have “Proxomitron Ver. Naoka-4.5” installed on my PC. It seems to be in conflict with and causing KB891771.exe to crash my PC whenever I tried to access the Internet.
I've been in touch with MS (»Problem after MS update KB891711)
and they’ve forwarded my issue on to their “Support Professionals”. I’ll pass any word along I hear from them concerning the problem.
In the meanwhile I'll stick with Proxomitrom and maintain control of my web-surfing experience. |
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 antiseriousThe Future ain't what it used to bePremium
join:2001-12-12
Scranton, PA | said by captnhook:I've been in touch with MS (» Problem after MS update KB891711) and they’ve forwarded my issue on to their “Support Professionals”. I’ll pass any word along I hear from them concerning the problem. In the meanwhile I'll stick with Proxomitrom and maintain control of my web-surfing experience.
... thanks for posting your findings ... since I run W98SE and Proxo, I think I'll sit this one out until M$ tweaks the patch ... I will NOT surf without THE EYE ...
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SUMwarePremium
join:2002-05-21
kudos:2 | Ditto! The eye sees all. |
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said by SUMware:After installing both these updates this afternoon on 98SE, the cursor has moved eratically and my system has locked several times, internet access blocked, hard reboots required. I've uninstalled both patches, restored previous hlink.dll file, restored previous good registry, and still have problem. Uninstall does not fix problems. Should have known better than to DL MS patches immediately. Anyone else? Well not exactly but yeah i had problems too after installing the patch in question (kb891711)on a windows 98SE box
i have an optical microshaft intellimouse with a usb connector, i however had it plugged into the microshaft adapter which it comes with, which converts the USB connection into a standard round ibm ps-2 (keyboard style) connector
after installing the patch, my mouse was not detected at all and when i moved it, it would make an annoying gringing noise through the PC speaker
deciding that it would be entirely futile attempting to undo any kind of microshaft software entanglement, i removed the microshaft adapter from the microshaft mouse and plugged it directly into a free usb port, and rebooted,
fortunately this solved my particular problem.
hope this is of some help to somebody somewhere
figures, microsoft mouse, microsoft adapter, microsoft windows, microsoft bug and microsoft patch, and they still cant work together
~TechForNow
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CudniLa Merma - VigiladoPremium,MVM
join:2003-12-20
Someshire
kudos:13 | reply to Goldengamego
from
»reviews.cnet.com/5208-6132-0.htm···=1034555
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Some clarification from Microsoft
I've noticed the same thing running in the background on my WIN98 machine, and ran across this thread looking for info. Since nobody seemed to have a definitive answer, I decided to call their security support line.
Got with a tech support guy fairly quickly (!) and he explained that the KB891711 patch was not required for WIN98, even though the Windows Update service called it a critical update. He had me uncheck it in the Startup list on msconfig, and also remove it from the registry: Run Regedit, export a registry file to the desktop as a backup, go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/Current Version/
He had me look in both the "Run-" folder and "RunServices-" folders. KB891711 was in "RunServices-". Right-click and hit "delete." (As a bonus, I also noticed an entry for a piece of spyware in the same folders, and killed that, too.) Did a restart, and now it's no longer showing up in the Task Manager. Best MS tech support experience I've ever had. Now we just need to get them to update their online documentation to explain this more clearly. .."
Cudni
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C:\Windows\KB891711
C:\Windows\KB891711\Q891711.dll
C:\Windows\KB891711\KB891711.exe
C:\Windows\KB891711\KB891711.exe running at startup via registry entry.
Logiteck Trac-Ball erratic behaviour installed under generic MS mouse drivers under 98SE.
Also issues now with Hauppague tv card drivers that did not exist before. Also issues with some video games with high graphics demands such as STEAM apps and other high demand video.
Am about to uninstall manually.
Whoever earlier mentioned "should have known not to immediately downloaded new updates" is correct. |
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| Have stopped it and removed folder and files and removed registry entries. Rebooted.
TV card and mouse already seem smoother and so far no BSODs while pressing the system.
Cursor no longer seems 'stuck' to parts of objects drawn on desktop such as WinTV, WinAmp or other apps.
Typing is faster, no mysterious 'laggy' display of each letter appearing and BACKSPACE works much faster.
I was wondering if all those odd things were related. I was almost ready for 'format/reinstall' marathon.
This was a bad update for my 98SE system! |
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CudniLa Merma - VigiladoPremium,MVM
join:2003-12-20
Someshire
kudos:13 | The KB891711.exe caused problems on my comp but not as severe as what you reported. I didn't bother removing it, just removed it from startup. However there are also reports where the above update did not cause any problems and works as intended.
Cudni
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