 nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
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Alexandria, VA | Your Right to Freedom of Speech... Ends at my property line.
If my property line is my telephone, my firewall, my mail servers, etc., so be it. You don't have the right to force me to hear you. You don't have a right to leave your garbage sit on my property.
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| Well stated. I've made the exact same statement several times myself. And here I thought spammers had given up on the whole "constitution right to spam" BS.
I suppose painting grafitti on someone's house, or throwing a brick with a note attached to it thru someone's window is also "free speech." |
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| said by TheWickerMan:I suppose painting grafitti on someone's house, or throwing a brick with a note attached to it thru someone's window is also "free speech." Grafitti should be illegal, but if I want to throw a brick through your window I have every right to do so! Go back to China you control freak!;)
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said by nixen:You don't have the right to force me to hear you. Exactly what the spammers seem to forget. They seem to think that the right of free speech means that they can say anything they want, whenever they want and force everyone to listen. Sorry, but free speech isn't absolute. You can't spam me and tell me I can't filter it out (or have my e-mail provider filter it out) just like you can't shout "Fire!" in a movie theatre without expecting to be tossed out (or perhaps even arrested).
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How is graffiti not deemed illlegal is the perp did not get permission from the property own first? I call vandalism. |
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 Wills
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Port Charlotte, FL | reply to nixen
said by nixen:Ends at my property line. If my property line is my telephone, my firewall, my mail servers, etc., so be it. You don't have the right to force me to hear you. You don't have a right to leave your garbage sit on my property. -tom Interesting way of looking at this. But your thinking can be used against you.
I have a freedom of speech, and you have a freedom not to hear me. But if I stand out in the street and say what I want, but you left your window open, and can still hear me, then it's your fault.
The spammers will simply say I can send it all I want. If it crosses your "property line" then it's because you haven't done anything to stop it. If you don't want it coming through your firewall, then stop it. You simply left your window open...
Trust me, if we go forward with this train of thought we will only help their fight.
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PDXPLT
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Banks, OR | reply to nixen
Unfortunately, they may have a case .... ..since in this case, the university is a government institution.
If this was a private university, they could block all they want. But as a part of a state government, they can't constitutionally block "free speech".
It'll be interesting to see how this ends up. |
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hiatus | said by PDXPLT:If this was a private university, they could block all they want. But as a part of a state government, they can't constitutionally block "free speech". That depends... If that free speech is interfereing with legitimate mail and is causing any number of problems, including higher costs, etc. they have a reason to block it.
The univeristy I work at already blocks spam and has an excellent defense... University email is to be used for university business only.
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Re: Your Right to Freedom of Speech... said by Wills:said by nixen:Ends at my property line. If my property line is my telephone, my firewall, my mail servers, etc., so be it. You don't have the right to force me to hear you. You don't have a right to leave your garbage sit on my property. -tom Interesting way of looking at this. But your thinking can be used against you. I have a freedom of speech, and you have a freedom not to hear me. But if I stand out in the street and say what I want, but you left your window open, and can still hear me, then it's your fault. The spammers will simply say I can send it all I want. If it crosses your "property line" then it's because you haven't done anything to stop it. If you don't want it coming through your firewall, then stop it. You simply left your window open... Trust me, if we go forward with this train of thought we will only help their fight. Hmmm youve got a point. But, there are ways you can be limited. For example if you wanted to gather a crowd to chant your message it would be unlawful assebly?(IANAL jut playing devils advocate) In some places if you used a magaphone or PA over a certain dB then you would be violating noise ordenances.
So taking your argument, if I closed my windows and reasonably insulated my house then the laws of the community should protect me from further intrusion of your right to free speech.
The problem with this argument is that the spammers are saying, ok you insulated yourself from us. You have community laws protecting you. But is there a law against me putting up a billboard accross from your house, no, ok then I will do that till its outlawed. Oh its outlawed now, well then I will drop fliers in your yard, oh thats no longer legal... hmm Then I will....
They are working their way through every way they can stretch the law in their favor not caring that in the end they will eventually elimiante themselves. But those doing so dont care as long as they get rich in the process.
Others are saying hmmm you insulated yourself from us and closed your windows, here take this brick with our message and throwing it through the window. This is akin to the emails that have garbage in them to defeat baysean filters. ITs a sad sad world....
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 tapeloopNot bad at all, really.Premium
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kudos:1 | Man I love these extended metaphors. 
You also have to take into account that while the flood of junk that spammers send out is free (or extremely cheap) per message to the spammer, the poor recipient of this stuff wastes time, money and bandwidth trying to block things that he/she doesn't want.
I'd be sorely pissed if a university can be allowed to block P2P/Newsgroup access because it causes high server load but not be allowed to block spammers that are almost as bad, if not worse.  |
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said by ColdFiltered:How is graffiti not deemed illlegal is the perp did not get permission from the property own first? I call vandalism. Ever hear of sarcasm ?
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