http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13142448 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:42:24 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:42:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13148574 Urzumph : »www.exeem.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13148574 Tue, 12 Apr 2005 05:29:59 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13146459 jap : @ MichaelBoltn,

BitComet already swaps peer data across swarm boundaries for matching file hashes, increasing your peer-counts without any tracker intervention or knowledge. It's an interesting scheme and in many ways superior (or inferior, depending on your POV) to your idea of swapping tracker data. Raises all kinds of security/enforcement issues a la copyrights & regional marketing agreements - including raising the specter of network file pollution.

The reason your tracker data-swap idea would not work is trackers can be easily made to know & ID their client userbase: a number of tools including cookie logins, IP filtering and passkeys (inserted into torrent files) already are in wide use. Clients are far more exploitable than trackers as they'll talk to anything that has the same file hashes: the announce URL another client is using doesn't matter to a client.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13146459 Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:49:21 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13144111 anon : In the past month or so I have seen sites that are are already set up this way.

There is also one downloadable client (that I know of) that can gather this information on the fly and download the particular .torrent file you are looking for through a series of proxies. Unfortunately this currently does not work with personalized tracker files. The last few builds I have seen also let you run the torrent through a proxy but I have not been able to get this working properly yet. I believe the people that put out the software are eventually looking to turn this into a paid service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13144111 Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:16:53 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13143204 Fluker : The way I see it, torrents will be managed in a fashion similar to the peer tracker idea. Because then all you need is a website that says "tracker with hash xxx is good" then you could search for that torrent and go for it.

Under this system, going to a website and reading plaintext does not in any way verify that a user downloaded that file. So if one of these websites was subpeonad, their records would show mountains of visits, but nobody that "has" the file. Also, a system of peers will do lots (but not guarantee it to be unlimited) for anonymity.

The only problem is that these indexes will be in the hands of EVERYBODY with a client, not just those hosting the torrents.

Any ideas along the lines of securing the peer torrent trackers' client. Ruining ones anonymity again simply requires downloading the client and searching.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13143204 Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:31:57 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13142448 tc17 : The Grokster case the Supreme court is currently hearing may have a lot to do with file sharing networks. Two lower Judges have already ruled them as legal (not necessarily the files, but the networks themself).

A lot of stuff on them is not illegal either.

The only reason these other file sharing torrent sites were shut down was not because of a court ruling, its because out of fear of being sued by the MPAA/RIAA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13142448 Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:42:45 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13142300 internetlol2 : I'm not too thrilled on the idea of a huge BT network where you can download from any tracker just by connecting to one. Private sites that restict access and track ratios are still more appealing to me, even if they don't offer up as much content. The speeds are actually better for everybody if you discourage leeching by the threat of a ban. (and you may not have noticed but there are A LOT of leeches on public swarms).

Is it reasonably to expect there to me more fakes and spoofs the larger the network? It's one thing to download a spoof of a 4 meg MP3, another thing entirely when it's a 4.7 gig DVD-R.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13142300 Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:18:56 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13141803 anon : That virus.... pass it onto someone else for good measure :D

Michale, there are a lot of theroy's about how to do this and some practical infomaiton on some of this information...

The real wrinkle is... at somepoint in time; you connect from some server / client into the backbone; and as all this informaiton whips around the global network, it can be tracked.

So..... the more folks try to hide who they are; the more the anonimity is going to disapear...

I'm not holding my breath on any of the techniques I've read about to thwart those who are distributing or permitting the distribution of illegal download / uploads.... eventually; it's going to be almost impossible to send somehting "Anonymously"....... perhas from a public library or something like that... but short of that...I'm not so sure.

Good luck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13141803 Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:03:25 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13141747 MichaelBoltn : What?

Here's how my idea works:

- You type the address of a known tracker into your BT client.

- Along with all torrent data for that tracker, you also receive the IP addresses of other clients that are connected.

- Your BT client automatically requests tracker URLs and torrent info from the client IPs you got from the tracker.

Once you've been in the "system" for 5 minutes, you'd have more than enough tracker URLs to never need to visit another BT site again. You'd simply connect to more and more peers, continually gaining tracker URLs every time you connected.

- Your BT program would parse XML/RSS data from each tracker your client knows of. You could then search your new database of torrents for what you wanted.
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You'd never have to search for a tracker or site again. Once you're in the system, there'd be no need.

Too bad I can't program. :D
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