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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD

We Need Tort Reform

All of these frivolous lawsuits by the states against Vonage show very clearly why we need tort reform at the Federal level. State governments don't seem to understand that taxpayer money is far too precious to waste on silly lawsuits filed on behalf of idiots who are too lazy to read warning messages.
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Hey Fast Eddie... you're next!

BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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Problem is that is why this country is getting to be a really pathetic example of democracy.

We have to put huge labels on everything because of absolute idiots. I mean geez that warning wasn't big enough.

This country rewards idiocy with huge pay days via the legal system, and they are the same people who bash big business, they then want to stick it to the "man" by doing damage to their financial being. Problem is it costs them too.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"


shashinka

join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA

reply to pnh102
This sucks, poor Vonage. If the consumers were so upset and confused wouldn't there be a class action lawsuit? I don't think this is representing the consumer in the end. I knew what was going on when I signed up and had no problem about it.



pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD

reply to BosstonesOwn

said by BosstonesOwn:

This country rewards idiocy with huge pay days via the legal system, and they are the same people who bash big business, they then want to stick it to the "man" by doing damage to their financial being. Problem is it costs them too.
What's needed is a "loser pays" system which would allow for companies to go after those people who bring frivolous lawsuits. In the interim, the only thing Vonage can do is to fight each of these suits to the bitter end and not settle.
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Hey Fast Eddie... you're next!


timlepes

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reply to pnh102
I think that the "Tort Reform" issue is a myth being pushed by big business interests.

The popular myth is that all these frivolous lawsuits are a huge problem. But in truth very few frivolous suits ever get anywhere. Judges and Juries are not that stupid, really. Of course there will always be some stupid crap somewhere to raise hoopla over and basically hype the situation. But even the infamous McDonalds Coffee Spill case, as I understand it, rarely mentions that the woman received serious burns well beyond your typical hot coffee burns. Hell, even if that was a frivolous case, it and others are being USED to manipulate people's perceptions here.

Big companies, when they hurt people or do bad, bad things, can write off small lawsuits as a part of doing business. ONLY LARGE SETTLEMENT and CLASS-ACTION suits have ANY real negative-pressure to make big giant (evil?) corporations behave themselves and stop hurting people or doing harm. The whole PURPOSE of the large settlements is to provide a check-and-balance from the public's interests against huge mega-zillion dollar corporations.

The scam here is to put a "cap" on the settlements, so that there are never any huge penalties ever again. That makes the lawsuits "manageable" and something that can be fiscally figured into a reasonable "risk". This is kind of like the "collateral damage" that military folks don't mind. So what if the village is razed so long as we got the one VC guy, right? Of course this is not warfare but in another sense it is a battle. Companies doing BAD THINGS can keep on doing BAD THINGS so long as it's an AFFORDABLE "risk" in the courts.

I have worked in a number of big companies and know that there is a culture of sweeping problems under the carpet and knowingly coninuing bad practices withouth any genuine regard for people's safety.

For example, I worked at Express Scripts, who run a huge mail-order perscription business along side thier other healthcare related stuff. They way they did their production line, the folks stuffing the pill bottles in the envelopes and boxes were under pressure to meet quotas. But they have to check the meds are the right ones for the right person, and put in all the right paperwork too, right? Well, to meet quotas and pressure from above, many of the workers would "double up" on orders. While they were wating for the paperwork to print on one order, they'd start scanning the bottles on the next order to save time. They weren't supposed to, because it is easy to mix up the pills between orders if they're both on the work-table at the same time. Orders arrive at workstations in separate plastic bins. But they get taken out and scanned on the table. When in a hurry, it is easy to make a mistake if you double up.

On the one hand, the managers were worried and wanted to have a way to prevent the workers from doubling up. The programmers had an answer... they could make the computer refuse to scan the next orders until the last page of the printouts was done. They'd put a scan code on the last page that would "close" the order, so they knew the last step was done (and packages immediately sealed and sent on). But they found that it could POSSIBLY take an extra 2-seconds for this safeguard. So they IGNORED the proposal and went on saying how bad it was to double-up while still pressuring the work crews. Of course some old lady then got the wrong meds, took them, and got sick. Luckily she didn't die. But it raised a big stink, especially with the Missouri Board of Pharmacy. Now what happened was they blamed the workers, canned their supervisor, and went on like they remedied the situation that way. When I know that it was a higher-up manager that knew about the solution A YEAR AHEAD OF TIME but made the decision not to implement it. She speakum with forked tounge. And of course the company saw it easier to fire poor Bob (the nice manager under Cynthia) than place the blame where it lie (Cynthia) because she was more "important", or really DO ANTYHING FOR REAL to fix the problems, at least to my knowledge.

DO NOT BE FOOLED!!! TORT LAWS ARE HERE TO PROTECT US!!!

PS - I am not a lawer or a person who has ever sued anyone ever. So I'm not just trying to rally "my side" or something. I really worry about the doubletalk and mis-conception. Really... who the fuck ever heard of "Tort" before all of this? Something that obscure needs to be checked into before forming rash and "popular" opinions.

So check it out and decide for yourself what the real deal is. Be a free thinker, not a member of the herd-mentality. Make up your own mind, but be open minded - for your own sake.

Peace through Understanding

Tim LePes


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